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i got a lot of great useful information from this thread. +rep kieran. this may change my outlook on pick up.

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Thank you for the kind words guys, it's encouraging to know that my input was appreciated :)

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Awesome posts Kieran!

I think that will help me out quite a bit as well. After doing the online dating thing for a while, I'm getting ready to jump back into the game and start meeting people out again.

I definitely need to work on my inner game, and need to retrain myself to get over AA. Confidence is at a low right now, and your posts gave me some great tips and insight.

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Firstly great post Kieran! One of the most important points you made is about keeping a clear mind and not using predetermined lines. I came across this post on other forum and thought id share. Sarging solo can be tough to initially get out there because its something that can be scary and most of us tend to make excuses. If thats you I recommend reading this.
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No excuses.

Legit, never excuse yourself. Sure, Ive said this before but Im going to say this again. NO EXCUSES.

I dont have much of a personal social circle. This is due to the fact I live in a upper class city that is mostly 28 and up. Im 24 since Decemeber and have been here for almost 2 years. I get by with lying about my age and going into NYC. The point of this thread is that my city doesnt provide wingmen for me. No support.

As a result of my youth, I become reluctant on my wing and shitty wings from my hometown. Usually I make due with my wing maybe 2x a week but he hasnt been around. As a result, I have been ditching my shitty wings and Sarging alone.

Sarging alone is definately rough. I dont have a term for myself. I definately dont consider myself AFC and I think its weird to officially title yourself a PUA, but regardless I think I know what Im doing. Anyway, Sarging alone is always something that takes a certain amount of.... I want to say pride in yourself. You have to believe in yourself.

When you first decide to go out its always a battle. Maybe its just me, but I always have excuses flowing through me. Maybe its the old AFC in me that battles me mentally. Maybe its the fact that Sarging Alone is socially not acceptable. I dont know the answer to that. I do know that it takes a level of commitment to do.

The point I want to make though is that opportunity is the ultimate goal for any PUA.

Tonight I didnt get laid. I didnt even k-close any chicks. The reason behind this post is that Opportunity is the answer. Ive gone out and sarged alone before. Yes, Ive had one night stands with chicks various times before while sarging alone. I probably wrote about it in my old journal. Not until now though have I felt the need to urge all of you to embrace OPPORTUNITY.

Tonight? I n-closed about 3 chicks.. I think maybe 4. I had originally gone to see Scream 4 alone because I loved Scream and then went bar hopping. My first bar was a poor experience. I didnt open any chicks. Then I walked to another bar that was packed. I didnt open again. I had too many excuses. My next bar I opened 2 strong HBs who were with a warpig and a brother. I did well with them but never N-closed. I invited them to another bar I was headed to but didnt find n-closing appropriate.

As Im heading down the street I ran into 2 girls from High School. They just moved into town. Huge convo, couple cigarettes and they tell me a bunch of people from our hometown are in the bar right next door. We end up going inside and I see insane amounts of chicks from high school who used to be really hot. Nowadays.... a joke. It wasnt anything I thought it would be.

So yea... created at least 3 new connections with chix who moved into town as well as reintroduced myself to old aquaintances. Afterwards I n-closed 2 random girls walking up the street by jokingly asking them where the main street was, even though I was already on it......

I hope this helps alot of you guys because I usually am very reluctant to go out alone. Tonight I was pretty sober and felt uncomfortable at the first bar. i was very close to giving up. I ended up texted friends to see if theyd meet up and they all said they were busy or sleeping. In the end though I created opportunity. Opportunity found me.

DONT EVER GIVE IN TO EXCUSES.

I had nothing to lose by staying in tonight, I had everything to gain by going out. Please remember this whenver you doubt going out.

Opportunity.


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Thanks ptown for this great quotation of Wood!

I really enjoyed the great conclusion:
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DON'T EVER GIVE IN TO EXCUSES.

I had nothing to lose by staying in tonight, I had everything to gain by going out.
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Opportunities don't just emerge, you have to create opportunities for yourself.

When you see a HB sitting alone, walk up, sit down next to her. Start talking. You never know how cool she might be!


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After I wrote that I went out sarging solo for the first time in a while. Night ended in me getting jumped by 4 guys in a nightclub corridor for no reason. Besides that the night was shit almost every girl I approached had a bf.

Maybe its just my shithole of a town where this happens but probably wont be going solo for a while.


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Cheers for the link keiran


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Crazy..
I went out last night to this local dance club and I saw this fine dime from behind and instinctively I went up behind her and brushed my hand across her shoulder.. And when she turned around I tried to pretend that she wasn't who I thought she was, and she responded with "Nice line".

I looked at her in disbelief and said, "That wasn't a line I thought you were someone else.."

Then her friends that we there next to her said "Yea nice line"..

I felt dissed. Hard.

What did I do wrong, and what would have been a better way of handling that scenario?
Hi, I'm not a PUA or anything but based on my experience you can get out of this situation by simply assuming your lie and saying something like "oh you got me, I just want to talk to you blabla..." on a playful tone.
The most important thing is to be confident enough to never be perturbed by anything the girl can "throw at you" when you engage a conversation with her. (because all of this is a game after all)

Of course I think you'll get better results if you don't approach girls from behind and if you are a bit more straightforward (by at least assuming the fact that you want to talk to her and it wasn't some kind of weird coincidence).


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Hey Oliz, I know exactly what you mean and you're right you CAN get out of it by doing that but I wouldn't recommend it because you are giving up all of your power in the seduction because.

1. You have already told her you want her and thus you have killed the intrigue.

2. She doesn't think that she can trust you now.

When it comes down to it, rather than thinking about how to best dig yourself out of a hole it is easier and better to just never get in the hole in the first place.

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Kieran you might be right about not getting in the hole.

But dont forget about "shit test". The girl just put you into hole so she can see what kind of person you are so its good to find a way how to get out of a hole.

If she said "that is your pick up line?" i would say something like ofc not but you had something on your back now its pollite to say thank you. And you can continue convo on something like "but i see you get hit by a guys that much that even a little help looks for you as another pickup line".
Doesnt really matter that its a small lie but if you dont want to just stand there and admit that you screwed up you need to do that. Yea you can admit that you tried to pick her up but she will see you as another guy who tried to pick her that night and its over.
And if you can somehow make yourself little diferent even with a small lie its no big deal.
All you need is a chance to start conversation and show that you are a Aplha. If you get rejected from the beginning she will never find out how funny, and great guy you are.

Thats what i think.

Cheers guys.


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Nice thread :)

Try your best to find someone who could go with you. Text all your friends. Even the ones that you do not usually go out with. At the end if you do not find anyone, try to go out with a promoter.

Let me tell you about my yesterday's experience :)

My friend did not feel well yesterday and canceled our plans in the last minute so I ended up alone in the club. However, I did very well because I went in with a promoter.

I started talking to the people who were with the promoter. It was very easy to engage in a conversation with these people because all of them were around the promoter's table. I started asking the people: Hey are you also with the Promoter? etc.

Anyway when I started talking to the promoters' people I increased my social status and no one really asked me if I were alone.

I took some nice pix with my cell phone and some people wanted to see their pix so that gave me opportunity to add them in facebook. I did not not tag anyone of them yet but they already taged me in their pix


The evening was very successful. I had a great time, lot of fun and will make sure to meet 1 or 2 girls who I added in facebook :wink:

Sorry for the mistakes. English is not my mother tongue 8)


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Just taking a read through the posts, Kieran really added some good stuff! Let me relay one of my experiences.

I went out to a nightclub one night with my brother and his wife. My brother is just amazing with people in general, and women respond powerfully to him. He urged me to approach two girls who were dancing together, so I did. They basically blew me out of the water for using a canned line they heard before (I swear everybody has read "The Game" by now). There were two options I could have used:

1) Look them in the eye and say "Aww, sweetie. Stop. I shouldn't have used a canned line on you and your friend. I get nervous approaching attractive girls and you two look fun, and I wanted to meet you. But when I get nervous I use a canned line sometimes..."

2) Turn into an asshole and say something rude in return.

Guess which one I picked... :oops: They ended up leaving the dance floor. I felt crappy. I'm a 6'2" guy, and these were scared 22 year old girls. WTF.

The advice I got from my bro was to "put down your weapons and make people feel good to be around you." Had I used #1 - yes one could argue it may be a bit wussish, but it is genuine and would have gotten a hell of a better response. Using #2 - I felt bad and didn't get what I wanted.

Ultimate we should ask ourselves - WHAT DO I REALLY WANT HERE?!? If my goal was to make women feel bad, #2 is the way to go. But I never approach a woman to make her feel bad. I have a heart. And I approach women because I'm attracted to them and want to meet them. And what I really want is my target to respond positively to me. So how can I achieve that, in that situation, for that woman?!? If she is a supermodel, and everybody tells her she is beautiful, well telling her she is beautiful will not be the way to get her attention. Complimenting her sense of style, or asking about where she got that ring, or anything else unique about her will get a warmer response.

If she is a 6 or 7, an is not used to getting compliments about her looks, telling her she looks stunning tonight will get you results, but only say that if you believe it! Women see through fake compliments.

Fast forward three weeks later, I consciously make the decision that my goal is simply to have fun that night. That's all. And having fun for me means dropping all expectations and limitations on myself. I busted on the hot bartender, and my female friend and I were having a riot about it. The cute girl beside me noticed, and all I said was "Hi!" after making eye contact with her. I asked her about her jewelry, and we got to talking about our ethnic backgrounds. Honestly I didn't even try to pick her up. 20 minutes later we were making out throughout the club. Couldn't f-close her, but #-close instead. Had a fantastic night, and it wasn't just because I hooked up with a hot chick! I had a fantastic night because I made sure everybody else had fun around me.

When you go out - make the goal of the night to have fun. Don't make it to "pick up girls". It will reflect in your approaches.


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Back when I was coaching I used to say this to my students when it seemed like they were taking approaching too seriously.

If you are not having a fun and awesome time approaching and chatting up women then you are not doing it right.

You work hard all week and this is your chance to let loose and put yourself out there, give yourself some fun experiences to laugh over during the week, get yourself some funny stories to tell your grand kids when you're old.

Being a Player is not about getting laid it is about taking control and getting the most out of your social interactions, having sex with lots of beautiful women is just a biproduct of that.

@VodkaNRedBull It's good to hear you have realised this now rather than later, a lot of guys take it too seriously and end up giving themselves an aneurism and giving up on game altogether, you can find most of those guys on PUA hate.

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Kieran, I like how you summarized it there in your last post. I hit that point for a while last year and worked to change that. This year I've been with more women than in the rest of my life combined. I'm naturally an introverted guy and I really have to push my personality out there to have fun and make others feel good around me. I still have challenges with women but I hope to keep learning and growing. Kieran, sounds like you've got a lot of this mastered, would love to message you sometime and pick your brain.

I just googled PUA Hate. Never heard of it until now. Pretty lame that people would dedicate themselves to a movement that was against guys getting good with women, and more importantly, becoming the best possible versions of themselves. Besides, don't women want to be with men that other women desire? It's like professional sports - every team wants to have a superstar in their lineup. Same with women. PUA haters really should find a more productive use of their time.

It's all about having fun. Women are amazing creatures. Let's enjoy and appreciate them as men.


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I think it's pretty sad spending so much energy on something so negative such as 'PUA hate' but to play the devils advocate, most of the guys on there claim to be raising the awareness of frauds, scams etc. In the community, which is fair enough because from my experience unfortunately there are some immoral men/companies out there who have made a living of screwing guys over.

On a lighter note, I'm always up for having my brain picked :) in fact there is a forum set up for just that at the site that I write for, http://www.wayoftheplayer.com come on and ask anything you want and I will be more than happy to help you out.

We also organise live chats etc. with head coaches of different well known companies such as, chris manak (manic workshops), Damien Diecke (School of attraction) and Nesh Soorinyan (beyond alpha coaching) it's all free of course and the forum was just launched a couple of weeks ago so love to see you on there :D

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