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Could You a little bit extend your statement please. I don't feel insecure that someone else will take her away from me, i know that few guys is trying to get her and I really dont mind, the biggest concern which I have is:
1) I go to her and try to talk what is going on are we together or whatsoever (really dont want to do this)
2)I will give her a warning and just say that if she will not start acting like normal person so we are done
3)Or simply I dump her by saying that its not working, its not fun and I dont want to be there
Im really busy guy and the last thing what I need is to think about where Im standing in the relationship, so she can go and play games or date some other guys.
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@Lodewijkp-I would like to use your experience on my case.

Started dating a girl 3 weeks ago, she's 22 I'm 29. Every time when I see her its me who is coming to her to say hello and kiss her, she never makes a move first, 3 days ago I saw her last time and pull test on her to not show interest in her, for the last 3 days I didn't call her neither than she, Im just wondering if we are at the stage to check who is chasing who, and who has stronger 'game' or there is some other hidden meaning of it, that I can't see.
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do not invest more than her .. there could be many reasons , maybe she is not a touchy girl , maybe she doesn't value physical escalation as much as other woman. Again men lead and initiate , could be you got into this frame early in dating and now she expects it because you set up this type of interaction. Maybe you think '' oh she isn't investing anything back, maybe she doesn't like me''... it's possible but it's not likely, you are better of letting go of control. If she complies to escalation , if she likes it then it's ok... if she simply pushes you away you might consider withdrawing or breaking up.

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Would you mind elaborating on boundaries?
Yes .. you have certain values about what you accept from yourself and other people and what you don't accept... could be the woman is interacting to you in a certain way which changes the way you are - most of it is probably negative. boundery is the border of a country - or a permeable cell membrane designed to let the good stuff go in and keeping the bad stuff out.

So at one point.. if there is to much negative psychological trade going on - the relationship or interaction is changing the way you really are you have to be assertive and say what you don't allow - you have to cut the shit and go for what you want...

If a woman is keeping me on leash by pushing me away while kissing i kiss her even harder or i totally freeze her out.. im not going to hang around shooting myself in the feet by allowing myself to get needy around her - just because she holds back.

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Yes, you can keep in touch with her. I would just watch out and make sure you don't talk too much, or you might fall close to in love with her, and have oneitis syndrome, even though you're not physically together.
Actually, I think that's starting to happen... I've noticed the way I am starting to think and act when talking with her. Oneitis is starting to kick in hard.
The best cure for that is talking less.. Is it not?
Stop talking .. at least for 2 weeks .. i know exactly how you feel but this whole thing isn't going anywhere...you need to unwire these whole psychological associations you have formed over last few weeks or months.

it's freaking hard.. because thoughts will pop up constantly.. they are just thoughts , just some retarded by-product of the brain, you don't have to act on it. You just thought to much about her and now your brain is going to search for solutions on automatic pilot , most of it are just obsessive retarded thoughts tho.i would say - meditate.. don't act on emotions or thoughts - just observe them and correct them by telling yourself the proper thing - the truth.

obsession is a simple case of unwiring and that takes some time and discipline...when you have improved your inner game you could maybe again talk to her but you have to set clear boundaries and rules in order to prevent yourself from getting one-itis again.

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long story short...LDRs are a fantasy, and without concrete and genuine plans of making them manifest into a REAL relationship, they all end in disaster and heartache.
guys never fall in love with a woman .. they fall in love with some image of her they have created themselfs .. in love with some fantasy that doesn't exist...most long distance relationships or relationships that weren't possible in the first place gave me the biggest one-itis in general...because you invest and invest and you get sucked in this whole artificial reality.

you guys need to create a distinction between real love and love... between unconditional love and bullshit lies you are telling yourself. Real love is respecting someone and loving without the ego - not expecting anything back or judging the relationship - however you have really to be enlightened to handle such stuff lol...

point is .. most love is just bullshit love .. just some idiotic reality you have created... and you keep chasing things that wouldn't work out anyway.

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Well, she didnt
NOW, WHAT?
What do I do to reverse the polarity? I mean, win this game, and yeah I have feelings for her...
Could be you are aggresive in general .. maybe she has a point.. she has her own thoughts and ways of living and that is her choice - you cannot control such thing you can only respect it and if you don't you will have a hard time...

i don't know if you need to win any game lol .. i mean you fought shit and broke stuff in hte house .. she was just calm and collective i assume. Just look at your fucking behaviour - do you recognize yourself in it ? is that who you really are ? again it's ok to want her and all that shit but who you are is much more important to yourself...if you have troubles staying yourself and asserting boundaries.

when you are losing control you really have to step back and reflecton the situation - just observe how you behaved and what triggered you. If you don't do this and deal with these issues it will repeat over and over so you probably want to think about all of this before talking to her. Now there is no need to feel ashamed or bad when you think back to times when you lost control - humans just do lose control sometimes.

i would say deal with your issues .. why and when you got triggered and what were you really trying to communicate ? how did you fail to communicate , because when people get pissed they fail to communicate something. It's not about winning or argueing .. attacking or defending will not get you anywhere - you want to relate - you want to relate to her and you want her to relate to you. Getting pissed and going on stampede only prevents you from relating and solving problems...

after you have done some work on your issues , just bust her balls for not calling you, take back control and invite her - you set the freaking date and time , so she cannot dodge shit anymore.. now you know clearly what you feel and what you are going to say.. connect with your feelings and communicate them so people can relate to it... don't attack , don't defend and don't get pissed straight away..

if she's keeps being a huge bitch then you can say fuck her - then it isn't your fault .. but you need to stay calm and collective.

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Shes telling me that the reason is why shes like that is that I don't understand who she really IS and that we are not compatible together
she thinks she doesn't need you .. you have done too much for her and invested too much - she just takes you for granted... now that doesn't mean she doesn't love you.

but seriously..do you want to be taken for granted ? like you are some disposable item ? a throw away thingy ? you just want her love so you accept anything from her ? her saying you do not understand her .. LOL

what did she do to make you understand ? what the fuck did she do for you ? you cannot open a chest if it's locked.. how the fuck does she expect you to find they key ? is there a key ? she wants you to be a fucking psychologist , or some mindreader which is likely to be impossible..

are you her psychologist or boyfriend ? are you her friend or boyfriend ? do you want respect or do you want to be a throw away item ? right now you are just on her terms , she comes to you when she needs you ... im asking myself ? does she comes to you when you need her ? who is giving more here?

this relationship is out of balance and LDR shit doesn't work in most cases... you are better off freezing her off because the more you will try to change her the more you will AFC yourself out... and she will get more and more control over you during this process...

Freeze out.. no matter how hard it is.. it is hard yes.. but you are not going to die.

like i said .. ask good questions.. some gifts are bullshit .. who cares about gifts or money..? you want to be treated with respect and dignity goddamnit.. you are a human being and you are a man.. so wake the fuck up and look at where you at in this relationship and what you have possible could have done wrong - where you gave away control over yourself..

stop accepting her gifts and bullshit.. she could use the time she used when she was buying gifts for you for explaining herself and her emotions - opening up and other bullshit .. maybe you should send her a free coupon for a session with a psychologist...

like i said .. destroy this bullshit reality you have created
look at where you are sabotaging yourself
look at where she is sabotaging you
asking yourself some good relevant questions
determine the balance in this relationship .. who gives too much ?

make a D-E-S-C-I-S-I-O-N

like i said i would freeze her out...and game other woman

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Could You a little bit extend your statement please. I don't feel insecure that someone else will take her away from me, i know that few guys is trying to get her and I really dont mind, the biggest concern which I have is:
1) I go to her and try to talk what is going on are we together or whatsoever (really dont want to do this)
2)I will give her a warning and just say that if she will not start acting like normal person so we are done
3)Or simply I dump her by saying that its not working, its not fun and I dont want to be there
Im really busy guy and the last thing what I need is to think about where Im standing in the relationship, so she can go and play games or date some other guys.
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no you are not .. you are just insecure and being jealous.. attaching too much value.

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Shes telling me that the reason is why shes like that is that I don't understand who she really IS and that we are not compatible together
she thinks she doesn't need you .. you have done too much for her and invested too much - she just takes you for granted... now that doesn't mean she doesn't love you.

but seriously..do you want to be taken for granted ? like you are some disposable item ? a throw away thingy ? you just want her love so you accept anything from her ? her saying you do not understand her .. LOL

what did she do to make you understand ? what the fuck did she do for you ? you cannot open a chest if it's locked.. how the fuck does she expect you to find they key ? is there a key ? she wants you to be a fucking psychologist , or some mindreader which is likely to be impossible..

are you her psychologist or boyfriend ? are you her friend or boyfriend ? do you want respect or do you want to be a throw away item ? right now you are just on her terms , she comes to you when she needs you ... im asking myself ? does she comes to you when you need her ? who is giving more here?

this relationship is out of balance and LDR shit doesn't work in most cases... you are better off freezing her off because the more you will try to change her the more you will AFC yourself out... and she will get more and more control over you during this process...

Freeze out.. no matter how hard it is.. it is hard yes.. but you are not going to die.

like i said .. ask good questions.. some gifts are bullshit .. who cares about gifts or money..? you want to be treated with respect and dignity goddamnit.. you are a human being and you are a man.. so wake the fuck up and look at where you at in this relationship and what you have possible could have done wrong - where you gave away control over yourself..

stop accepting her gifts and bullshit.. she could use the time she used when she was buying gifts for you for explaining herself and her emotions - opening up and other bullshit .. maybe you should send her a free coupon for a session with a psychologist...

like i said .. destroy this bullshit reality you have created
look at where you are sabotaging yourself
look at where she is sabotaging you
asking yourself some good relevant questions
determine the balance in this relationship .. who gives too much ?

make a D-E-S-C-I-S-I-O-N

like i said i would freeze her out...and game other woman
your good, but I must ask one more thing to clear this mess up in my head.
this is example of how shes good to me : she didn't only buy gift, she made it and it took her 10 days to make this gift its original and from her hearth,and did some really nice stuff which tells me shes in,but like I said shes introverted ass hell and don't believe in US...I can't recognize if its only a test or its bullshit like you told me.I did freeze twice but she gets crazy and than I stop and continue to be nice again.I was thinking to be just nice nice nice and than after some time she realise that and open up to me...couse i played PU first mounth than I stoped..... and here's my question: Let's say that she is really a good person with emotions but she is stucked with her problems, can i really harm her with my freezing and mess up all couse I think she really feels when somebody plays the game ?


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Shes telling me that the reason is why shes like that is that I don't understand who she really IS and that we are not compatible together
she thinks she doesn't need you .. you have done too much for her and invested too much - she just takes you for granted... now that doesn't mean she doesn't love you.

but seriously..do you want to be taken for granted ? like you are some disposable item ? a throw away thingy ? you just want her love so you accept anything from her ? her saying you do not understand her .. LOL

what did she do to make you understand ? what the fuck did she do for you ? you cannot open a chest if it's locked.. how the fuck does she expect you to find they key ? is there a key ? she wants you to be a fucking psychologist , or some mindreader which is likely to be impossible..

are you her psychologist or boyfriend ? are you her friend or boyfriend ? do you want respect or do you want to be a throw away item ? right now you are just on her terms , she comes to you when she needs you ... im asking myself ? does she comes to you when you need her ? who is giving more here?

this relationship is out of balance and LDR shit doesn't work in most cases... you are better off freezing her off because the more you will try to change her the more you will AFC yourself out... and she will get more and more control over you during this process...

Freeze out.. no matter how hard it is.. it is hard yes.. but you are not going to die.

like i said .. ask good questions.. some gifts are bullshit .. who cares about gifts or money..? you want to be treated with respect and dignity goddamnit.. you are a human being and you are a man.. so wake the fuck up and look at where you at in this relationship and what you have possible could have done wrong - where you gave away control over yourself..

stop accepting her gifts and bullshit.. she could use the time she used when she was buying gifts for you for explaining herself and her emotions - opening up and other bullshit .. maybe you should send her a free coupon for a session with a psychologist...

like i said .. destroy this bullshit reality you have created
look at where you are sabotaging yourself
look at where she is sabotaging you
asking yourself some good relevant questions
determine the balance in this relationship .. who gives too much ?

make a D-E-S-C-I-S-I-O-N

like i said i would freeze her out...and game other woman
your good, but I must ask one more thing to clear this mess up in my head.
this is example of how shes good to me : she didn't only buy gift, she made it and it took her 10 days to make this gift its original and from her hearth,and did some really nice stuff which tells me shes in,but like I said shes introverted ass hell and don't believe in US...I can't recognize if its only a test or its bullshit like you told me.I did freeze twice but she gets crazy and than I stop and continue to be nice again.I was thinking to be just nice nice nice and than after some time she realise that and open up to me...couse i played PU first mounth than I stoped..... and here's my question: Let's say that she is really a good person with emotions but she is stucked with her problems, can i really harm her(lose her) with my freezing and mess up all couse I think she really feels when somebody plays the game ?


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Let's say that she is really a good person with emotions but she is stucked with her problems, can i really harm her with my freezing and mess up all couse I think she really feels when somebody plays the game ?
it's not about playing games .. it's about getting your needs met and respect without wanting to hurt anyone.. a freeze out is doing nothing.

Im not telling you to game her or to do pickup stuff , im not saying she's a terrible person either - there is just withholding or something similar... maybe it's being introvert or just maybe she's having issues..

but again .. if that's who she really is you accept her or you find yourself another woman - then you need stop posting. Now why did you post ? are you just blind and you accept to much or can you not accept the fact you are not getting certain needs met ?

so let us be clear .. what do you want from her and what do you expect ? because you do have a clear mess in your head - gifts , money and that shit do not mean anything.. oif it did matter you wouldn't be coming here and you would be happy with things as they are. Her issues are her issues and if your freeze out hurts her then it's her problem , maybe she should be more open to you ... it's her perspective, you can only hurt yourself by thinking certain thoughts...

right now you do a freeze out just to clear the mess in your head... and if she gets crazy what does she do ? does she get angry ?

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yep,your absolutely right, i know and i can feel that she can give more.When I do a freeze out she will text me a msg and if i don't answer she get nervouse couse she think something isn't right.


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Well, things were going well until tonight. Last Wednesday she was completely compliant to be friends with benefits. I invited her over on Saturday, and she got cold feet. We hung out Sunday, held hands, kissed, but that's as far as we went. I talked to her about the friends with benefits thing today, and she said she couldn't do that anymore. She's going to try to start a relationship with a known manwhore from her school. I know him, and he's not interested in dating, he's just a pick up artist of sorts. Looking like this is game over, so I'm going to freeze her out for good. Definitely not going to let her come back when he plays her, unless she has a drastic change of heart tomorrow. The competitive side of me wants to try to win her, over him, but I'm not sure if that's even worth it at this point.


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don't take her serious .. it could be a bunch of bullshit just to make you jealous .. just to make you commit to a relationship.. or maybe she's just playing games. Freeze her out for good because you don't want toxic people in your life.

Don't be angry either.. last woman i hung out with praised me and promised me all kinds of shit after fucking her.. nowadays she is withdrawing attention for no reason, first she talked and messaged me late during the evening and nowadays she pushes me off with excuses that she's tired .. most people do not know they are broken and most woman just seem unguided projectiles anyway. they just manipulate and they don't even know it...they can be nice persons who don't even insult you and who are honest .. meanwhile they play ming games with themselfs.

don't be angry .. don't blame .. be assertive, tell them they are toxic and get them out of your life... unless you can cope and deal with it. you have the need to be friends with benefits and that is ok... there is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't mean you are damaged or weird..

the woman i slept with lately.. she isn't a friend.. she only saw some benefits and gaslighted me..wel she got issues - her problem.

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don't take her serious .. it could be a bunch of bullshit just to make you jealous .. just to make you commit to a relationship.. or maybe she's just playing games. Freeze her out for good because you don't want toxic people in your life.

Don't be angry either.. last woman i hung out with praised me and promised me all kinds of shit after fucking her.. nowadays she is withdrawing attention for no reason, first she talked and messaged me late during the evening and nowadays she pushes me off with excuses that she's tired .. most people do not know they are broken and most woman just seem unguided projectiles anyway. they just manipulate and they don't even know it...they can be nice persons who don't even insult you and who are honest .. meanwhile they play ming games with themselfs.

don't be angry .. don't blame .. be assertive, tell them they are toxic and get them out of your life... unless you can cope and deal with it. you have the need to be friends with benefits and that is ok... there is nothing wrong with that and it doesn't mean you are damaged or weird..

the woman i slept with lately.. she isn't a friend.. she only saw some benefits and gaslighted me..wel she got issues - her problem.
Yeah, I refuse to be friendzoned at this point. The guy is a friend of a friend, and tried to pick up one of my better woman friends. I told her (my ex) that she's going to get played, but she's a big girl and that she can figure that out on her own. Me and the guy in question hung out a couple times when he was pursuing my friend, so I was aware of what he did. Then my ex started talking about him, and I said that it made me uncomfortable. The next day, she made it clear to him that they wouldn't be more than friends. Now this comes up, and I feel like by limiting her, she wants him more than ever, and maybe that's what screwed me out of casual sex. I'm pretty sure she's looking for something serious, and she isn't going to get it from him ... but that just means he has decent game I suppose, haha. Thank you very much, i'll let her know that I won't put up with that BS as a friend. She'll most likely try to talk to me today, as we had plans to go shopping together, until she brought this new stuff up. I won't tell her to fuck off or anything, I'll just stop answering her attempts to communicate.


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