If anyone can help me, my name is manny, I saw this girl last nite that I got with in my first year of uni and thought I'd lie to make it with her again. However since then she's been in a longish relationship with another guy. The thing is last nite she seemed flirty etc. and complained when I wasn't giving her attention etc. The thing is I don't know what is the best thing to say or when to move in for the kiss.
Theres another girl who I reckon I had the "right time to kiss moment" with and missd it. She was asking what 3 words I'd use to describe her and I told her two and said I'd tell hger the other later. She was playing with her hair and everything soooo...
Any advice from a pro apprciated.

I would leave the one with the bf alone for now, keep seeing her keep it flirty and fun with soem physical connection, joking around and what not, but keepign the physical wrestling tickling joking around your going to keep the physical connection there so your less likely to get in the friend zone, when your dealing with a girl who has a bf especially a long term one it's important not to misread signs cus then you'l be completely cut off and possibly get a creeper reputation so make sure u don't misread and let her do some of the k-closing

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Thing is she has brocken up with her boyfreind. Plus I really do like this girl. Further, I had a reply on the same problem in another forum and the guy recommended asking her for tea at some point in the week and be like "it has to be during the week in case your weird and I waste time". This ounded mental to me at first but I kinda like it for that. Anything anyone has to had much appreciated.
With regards girl no 2. and k closing, I talk to her on MSN alot n e ideas apart from standard negging?

as far as k-closing with girl #2 just go for it, if you get shutdown u get shutdown and then you know not to waste your time, seems like IOI's are all there. with girl number 1 if there broken up then your all set and ready to go and since you've already been with her there shouldn't be any awkwardness or very limited awkwardness physically

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Reckon definately give the tea idea a bang then. MSN sarging advice anyone.
ps she comes round to our student house alot so is there anything which I could set up on MSN and then exploit when she's round?
All advice much appreciated!

Okay so with regards girl no 2. If u remember at a party the other nite I had her asking for 3 words that defined her. I gave her two "Enthusiastic" and "Extraverted". I said I'd give her the third later.
So I'm on MSN today have one breif convo where I neg her for a while etc. blah blah balh.
Started another convo later on which ran, roughly:

Me I just thought of the third word
Her For?
Me U
Her Me??
Me u asked me at the party
So she asks what it is
Me I'll tell u later
Me I gotta help myfreind with his essay
Her oiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
Me dont miss me too much
Her suspense
Her have fun !X

So what should the next word be? Or should I have several words for different scenarios and play it by ear?

Any suggestions, as always, well received.

i dont think you realize it but with that last chat dialogue you showed too much interest. Bringing up something like that that happened earlier shows that you were thinking about it.

my personal thought anyway

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Perhaps you are right but I have her absolutely gagging for a response. She came online today and asked me for it. My freind noticed and when she asked for the third word he wrote penis [pretending to be me] and started a whole convo about blow jobs.
So next time I'm on I'm gonna be like
Me "your trouble you are"
Her What, why??
Me you were talking about blowjobs online with my freinds
Her I thought that was you
Me even more trouble
her: so whats the third word?
Me I'll tell you in person
me are you always thsi imapatient?!
Her: oiiiiiii hah hhah etc.
Me nah your okay really
Me: But I bet your high maintenance (lol)
her: oiii lol etc
etc etc.
Me look I'm really busy I only wanted to say hi, I'll c u later have a good time at {some band she's gonna see}

This way I'm building to a k close at a house party which I know she will be attending.
At that house party I'm gonna (hopefully in my room)
Give her the third word yeah : "Soft"
She will initially take this as a neg, comment about her body. Then I'll kiss her and say: "I was right".

Come on , dont you think its a good piece of build up or what?
Still nonetheless, any comments suggestions as always really really welcome.

^ thats a convo your predicting?

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manny, take it slow, like we talked about. remember to not just follow EXACTLY what I said, but be yourself.

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Yeah this is a predicted MSN Convo. For anyone not up to date and interested in following this game I'm running, I'll the whole thing down Once more.
Okay so... This girl is at our house party. She seeks me out and we get chatty. I get a few IOIS then she (and she didn't need personality test prompting) asked me for 3 words that described her. I gave her 2: "Enthusiastic" and "Extraverted". I said I'd tell her the other later, for the rest of the party I was cordial she kept asking me what I was upto and I was constnatly like "I have to look after my freind who's drunk to much" or whatever.
So anyway, a few days later on MSN. I write to her 'I just thought of the third word'
Her: for??
Me: You
Her: Me???!!
Me: Yeah you asked me at the party remember
Her: Oh yeah so waht is it [and a couple of other messages all eager etc.]
Me I'll tell u later, I have to help my freind with his essay
Her: oiii no now etc.etc.
Me: Dont miss me!!
Her arrrghhh!!!
yad yad yada

Okay so the idea yeah is to build her interest, excitment etc. towards another party at my house. However I would not, repeat not, go looking for her at this party. I will let her seek me out as her past behaviour suggests she will be inclined to do this. In the meantime, I mean untill then, I just got a keep building it up, getting her more excited, hence that scripted MSN convo.

**For details of the Kclose plan see like three tabs up I think. Its good.

Anyway, if anyone has anything to add that they think could boost this game pleeeeeeeease let me know. We're counting on each other here.!

This is the actual convo. Not exactly as I planned but, I think, near perfect:

Me:
Your trouble then..
Her:
huh!?
Me:
Wern't You talking about Blow jobs to [my freind] on my MSN. lol
Her:
not really no...??
Her:
Your freind was suggesting i might like to give him one.
Her:
to which i politely declined!
Me:
i'm only winding u up
Her:
aah thanks thats nice of you
Me:
Are you always this sarcastic
Her:
?
Her:
mmm.. im not sure. i think so!?
Me:
Dont be too hard on your self, your okay
Her:
my mum always tells me im too sarcastic, then she reminds me "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"
Me:
Thats bullshgit.
Me:
Cliches, platitudes and aphorisms are the lowest form of wit
Her:
that is going to be my reply next time she says that to me
Me:
I'm really trying to get some work done, I only wanted to get you a bit hot and flustered
Me:
c u later
Her:
haha.
Her:
okey dokey? enjoy your work, mine is KILLING me!


So whada people think, as always, keep suggestions rolling. Now that you've got a taste of actual convo, hopefully this will give u a little more insight.

Ok... Phew. Its been a while. I've basically left like 2 days or so between initiating MSN converstion. Appearing busy is implicit in what follows. As always I'd really like to know what people think. Theres two separte convos here. The first is very short. I've been running I think like parts of Attraction phase 1, 2 & 3 simultaneously because I don't get to see this girl too much however a sly attempt to gain a meeting occurs in convo 2. These are real convos:

Me: So how many brain cells do you have left you wreckhead?
Her:
umm... i think if i guessed 3 or 4 i'd be close....
Oly is a turnip says:
lol
Oly is a turnip says:
how was it?
Her::
i wish it was funny..!
Her::
it was unreal but i am suffering now!
Oly is a turnip says:
I gotta write this dissertation breif and I really need to get it done cos Brain Cummings is a ball buster and I've been waaaaaaay to distracted all weekend. I'lll talk to u later if ur about
Her::
okey dokey. i shall let u start the conversations in future - this happens EVERY time i do im starting to detect a pattern..
Oly is a turnip says:
Yeah i'm really busy with all sorts, when I dop a remark I'm avoiding other responsibilities
Oly is a turnip says:
drop*
Her::
aaah always the way!
Her::
well i shall not disturb u any longer, im ALWAYS procrastinating so wen u feel like 'dropping a remark' it will keep me amused
Oly is a turnip says:
I'm not a remark prostitute peddaling my filthy waress on a street corner You make me feel so dirty: "Fiver for a snide comment, Tenner for a compliment whadya need baby?"
Her::
haha u r more of a remark whore...its not that im judging u tho. its fine, just dont expet me to pay u

That was folllowed two days later by:

[Me]:
So have you recovered enough for yet another weekend of mischeif and mayhem?
Her:
of course
Her: says:
....only stressing over my essays so its hard to cause mischeif at th mo *tear*
Me:says:
I'm sure you'll manage somehow
Her: says:
i hope so! hows u anyway?
Me:says:
I'm splendid, thanks for asking
Me:says:
Me, sparky and possibly Dan (though I've yet to ask him) might go to see Marcus Intalex
Her: says:
tonight?
Me:says:
Oh no no, dont be silly, Saturday
Her: says:
haha, my mistake! may i question as to whether thats locally or are you venturing out of Brighton for this particular occasion?
Me:says:
That's very prying
Her: says:
indeed, i apologise for the intrusive nature of the question...
Her: says:
however, i would very much like to know th answer.
Me:says:
Very well....
Me:says:
Its in Brighton as I understand
Her: says:
thats fabulous. really is.
Me:says:
Is that more bloody sarcasm? Its hard to see from here
Her: says:
haha, nope not at all, i promise.
Her: says:
im too cold to be sarcastic rite now, currently bundled up in my scarf. sarcasm is not an option
Me:says:
Why are you so cold. Do u guys have no heating or something?
Her: says:
we have heating it just seems to take me longer to be warm than everyone else
Me:says:
Are you a big cold fish?
Her: says:
mmm.. not really?!
Me:says:
good I hate fish
Me:says:
Anyway....
Me:says:
If u end up tagging along, try not to get on my nerves to much.
Her: says:
haha i promise i shan't
Her: says:
altho i seem to manage that pretty easily!
Me:says:
I'm kidding
Me:says:
I can tolerate you
Me:says:
When I say tolerate...
Her: says:
haha... here we go?
Me:says:
Where are we going?
Her: says:
im not sure.. u tell me!
Her: says:
the 'dot dot dot' was leading somewhere
Me:says:
ahh yes...
Me:says:
When I say tolerate
Me:says:
...
Me:says:
I'm mean I dig my fingers deep into my socket, wrench out a small bloody globe, step on it and then procede to pour vinegar into the gaping sockets where my eyes once were
Me:says:
eye socket*
Her: says:
aaaah slightly painful experience for you then...!
Me:says:
Well, by contarst to you,...
Me:says:
its rather pleasnt actually
Her: says:
i can imagine.
Her: says:
jus out of interest, do i hav this effect on a lot of people?? or just you?
Me:says:
No, I dont think so, Anthea and the rest of that crazy buch see to look up to you somewhat
Me:says:
kinda of like your their leader in some vast conspiracy of fun and wild impulsive behaviour
Her: says:
that is sooo not the case! i am not a leader, i just go with the flow (the flow-of-fun that is)
Her: says:
and i have a bed that is perfect for jumping on with lots of people, thats always a good way of making friends!
Me:says:
Are you hittin on me with all this talk of your bed. I tell you we are right back to square one now.
Her: says:
haha. no deal this bed doesnt DO sharing, plus thats sooo cliche.
Her: says:
and urgh! MUST boys always think the mention of a means that!
Me:says:
Well, I've just gotta be careful, as I mentioned before, I think ur trouble
Her: says:
u 'think' incorrectly. i am most definately NOT.
Her: says:
altho so many people tell me i am i am beiginnig to think i might be, but i know im not....im sure im not!
Me:says:
lol
Me:says:
Your funny. I best get back to Wittgenstein.
Her: says:
haha, okey dokey

I think they're okay actually. Hopefull she'll come to Marcus Intalex (this is a wicked DJ for n e 1 in the states who has never heard of Drum and Bass). If she does its kino time, compliancy test time and a a few more false disqualifiers. For every two IOIs I get I'm gonna try and give her one and then give an IOD.

Really tell me what u people think. I'm probably a bit to interested in this girl for my ow good. She is mink though and exciting.

This is the latest convo. Going really really well. I'm pretty sure theres some good exmples of online, negs, false disqualifiers etc. ways to express IODs as well and appearing busy. As always responses welcome. I like this girl far too much for my own good so n e help is always appreciated.

The following is a real convo:

Mesays:
So what do u have to say Foryourself?
Hersays:
erm.... nothing
Hersays:
wat do YOU have to say for yourself?!
Mesays:
How demanding
Mesays:
I just got a new cd through the post, I'm quite excited
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
you'll get used to that, im waaaaay too demanding!
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i love post wat cd is it?
Mesays:
Marcus Intelex, I just opened it, Fabric Live thing. I only ordered it 2 days ago. That was fast
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
impressive... amazon jobby?
Mesays:
Prying again? Yeah it's off amazon.
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
indeed i am, im always prying.
Mesays:
It has one off those impossible plastic covers though
Mesays:
what would u recommend
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
wat wud i recommend? for what? removing the plastic?
Mesays:
oh oh someone at the door. brb
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
otay
Mesays:
Its okay, I got the plastic off. It has a cool metal case
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
aaah panic over
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
a metal case? now thats original for a cd.
Mesays:
No, I think the Fabric CDs always come in a metal case
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
oooow, not so original now.
Mesays:
nightmare
Mesays:
i've spilt all my weed on thge table, what wud u recomend
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
that u clear it up and smoke it
Mesays:
its all fiddly though
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
well be careful then.
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
if u are careful enough it shud take u several minutes which is further distraction from your work killing 2 birds with one stone.
Mesays:
That's better, I was about to ask you if you were being condescending
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i dont DO condescending.. i dont think anyway??
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
just sarcasm from time to time!
Mesays:
what if sumone diserved it
Mesays:
?
Mesays:
wud u fail to punish them for their idiocy
Mesays:
r u a flake
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
hmmm perhaps i wud then... but i dont think id do it intentionally
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
haha, no more of a Wispa.
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i dont think ppl can really deserve condescending-ness...
Mesays:
whoaaa , even paddy?
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
even paddy
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
also i think i cant be condescending to ppl who are taller than me, it just doesnt work
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
and most people are taller than me
Mesays:
maybe ur not trouble then?
Mesays:
maybe ur too nice?
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i wudnt go that far...
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i think im everything apart from condescending...
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
and rude - i dont think im rude either!
Mesays:
what wud u count as rude though, exposing urself
Mesays:
or just calling someone sau a "div"
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
mmm.. neither
Mesays:
Thats pretty evasive
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
im an evasive person i guess!
Mesays:
This Fabric CD is awesome
Mesays:
and yes ur evasive
Mesays:
But that means u have conversation frame control, or sometimes do, which is a demonstration of higher value. So presumably your not as dappy as you always act.
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
im not dappy?? NOR do i act it???
Mesays:
i thought that wud anger u
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
u r provoking me!
Mesays:
you do come across dappy to alot of people. but is okay you've probably founf that u get more attention that way
Mesays:
its jessica simpson syndrome
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
urgh no i dont wanna b like that...i find her irritating,
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i dont mean to come accross dappy, thats ppl making assumptions. but i do lack serious amounts of general knowledge which probs encourages ppl to think these things of me
Mesays:
So according to u ur not think per se, just ignorant?
Mesays:
I'll let u correct me if I'm wrong
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
mm... i think u r wrong. i dont believe im ignorant.
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
not a huge fan of that word.
Mesays:
and so what word are u a fan of?
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
right now?
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
disgruntled.
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i think thats a nice word
Mesays:
hang on theres someone on the phone
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
otay
Mesays:
phew, freinds from Cornwall asking when I'm coming back
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
are u greatly missed?
Mesays:
I expect so I quite wanna get back soon though
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
wen u headed back there?
Mesays:
I shant mention mention "Prying" again since that's been established,
Mesays:
in w week
Mesays:
after Friday, cos theres our houseparty and someother housepart aswell so, probably exactly week, yeah
Mesays:
just got more music of adam. This day just keeps getting better
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
haha! u r doing well!
Mesays:
I've got a question for you
Mesays:
its very important....
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
haha,.. that suggests its not.
Mesays:
R u ready
Mesays:
I'm deadly serious...
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i am
Mesays:
okay
Mesays:
here goes
Mesays:
why do you write "ha ha" so much AT The start of nearly everything?
Mesays:
oly does it tooo
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
do i??
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
hadn't even noticed!
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
hmm.. i hav considered it
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
aaaand my answer is:
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i find most things in life amusing to some degree. i am easily amused i suppose.
Mesays:
ha ha
Mesays:
You shouldn't let me wind you up so much, ur too easy
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
but im not wound up?!
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
but i do feel like i have to justify myself.....u r like a teacher!
Mesays:
Its really annoying. I have to gpo into the kitchen everytime I need a light I dont have a lghter
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
can u not borrow one?!
Mesays:
Perhaps
Mesays:
i'm not that desparate though and theres a bit of a lighter thieving tradition in this house soo....
Mesays:
people are very careful about lending lighters
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
aaah best to make do with the toaster then
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
really?? but its only a lighter?!?
Mesays:
BHang on Bilals asking me about Intelex
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
ok, ill let u fill him in!
Mesays:
Okay hes full
Mesays:
he might go
Mesays:
Returning to our earliar thread....
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
go where?!
Mesays:
To Intalex!
Mesays:
Marcus Intalex
Mesays:
tonight
Mesays:
memoruy like a fish
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i have a fish memory too!
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
u excited for that?
Mesays:
I'm quiverring with anticipation
Mesays:
which reminds me I should try and be productive rather than waiting for you to stand up for yourself
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
i dont need to stand up for myself. not right now anyway, im too hungover.
Mesays:
need or "cant"
Mesays:
It doesn't matter.., I ll c u later
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
bit of both. mostly need tho.
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
haha. okay!
Mesays:
Hope you have a nice hangover
Mesays:
they can be a bastard
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
oh i am enjoying it! its not too bad, an excuse not to do work. i love it
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
but i shall let u go cuz i will just keep talking...
Her(i feel sad about my orange flower....) says:
x


I think the teacher line is bang on. Also notice all my distractions. Its important that I'm engaging her on my terms even though she says she's letting me go at the end. There's that false disqualifying question their but she kinda called my bluff. Some good negs though, a little more personal, definately well escalated. Let any questions roll in.