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when you are getting started in this new PUA thing how do you get away from meeting girls and going the seduction route as opposede to the BFF. I tend to meet women but I never bed them, I become friends with them. Help push me out of this...thanks

The best thing you can do is...

KINO ... If you try to get kino with the girls you will be away from the LJBF ( Lets just be friends) zone.

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red i feel your pain. im out there sarging frequently and what im tending to come away with is more friends than conquests.

its not an entirely bad thing as its nice to meet new people and have a widened circuit of friends, however it becomes frustrating at times (especially when i get the brush off) as its not what im in the game for.

i think afxman is right in encouraging kino, however i find it personally hard to initiate without coming across a bit awkward or feeling a bit of a creep. something to think about is learning how to palm read as this is a prime oppertunity to initiate kino. lets face it - what girl do you know who would pass the oppertunity to get her palms read and all that girly nonsense.

i think palm reading is ideal in fact especially after you have demonstrated value as it is furthering what you have implemented value wise and is escalating kino. you could perhaps hold her hand, squeeze and see if she she squeezes back as an ioi test. its all good stuff.

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here is what im generally doing in my sarges - skip this bit if your going to find it boring.

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i dont do groups unless im with a group and its usually in a pub SPAM where its expected and doesnt get a third degree SPAM.
ill open a girl at the bus stop where im waiting (ideal place as they cant get away - there waiting for the same damn bus!) and i will say hello/how are you. i willl then quickly follow it up with 'did you see those girls fighting here a moment a go? they were fighting over some guy - it was pretty brutal.' once i have this hook point and when shes replied with a probable yes or a no and maybe a giggle i will say 'can i get a female opinion on something? would you go out with a guy who was still friends with his ex girlfriend? okay imagine you were going out with a guy who was still friends with his exgirlfriend. and you were moving in with him. but he still kept pictures of his ex girlfriend in a drawer. what would you do?

here i would have her reply with an opinion and its usually my favourite part of the pickup as its the point where you get to see some individuality and sometimes its interesting to hear the different responses. youd think id of heard them all now seeing as this is the only opener i use but in fact they are constantly different.

now this is the point it goes awry.. ill talk to her and make fluff for a while. we'll talk about some random things and ill make her laugh a little - thats not a problem its just that i dont flirt as im not a naturally flirty people and whats more i dont seem to make statements of intent.

so when i come away with a number, which i usually do - the next time i see her she remembers me as the interesting nice person SHE BECAME FRIENDS with.

what do i do people. do i use jugglers method and say things like...

hb: yeah i work with children.
me: oh i love you, thats the kinda job i have the most respect for.

or

hb: im a capricorn
me: im a gemini, according to the stars were meant to be together. where have you been all my life?

i dont know but this sounds good doesnt it, open it up a little and put myself out there. what do you think? perhaps i should stray away from the friendly vibe and get more suggestive.

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so there we have it people thats what i think and make of myself. red i hope ive offered an alternative suggestion as to what you can do to better your game and people im hoping for some good replies concerning my personal game. no bragging or sniping - this is a genuine afc trying to better his game.

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