Hello Gentlemen,

I'm a girl, but before you all start yelling at me for infiltrating the boys' club, I'm a wingwoman. It's my vocation, literally, my calling. I'm new to this board, the PUA forums, but not new to the scene.

I'm originally from TN and have been living in Manhattan for a bit over four years. Nevertheless, I'm starting to step up my resources and decided to delve into the scientific side of the game rather than just riding on my Southern charm to help my boys out.

It's an absolute pleasure to meet you all. I hope y'all can teach me a lot. Hopefully, I can teach you a lot as well.

[edited later for grammar]

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- Zip

It's always good to have a double agent on our side ;p

Welcome to the Lair.

I am sure you will have no problems around these parts. Jump in feet first and enjoy your time here; plenty of people that are in need of good advice.
Check out the "meet-ups" section if you are interested in physically winging.

Enjoi.

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Boys club? What boys club.
Welcome to the forum, zip.

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I'm a little offended my that remark, referring to us and this forum as a boys club, when on the contrary this is indeed a place of social experimentation and discussion. Okay, enough with my jokes, nice to meet you sweets, and by all means stay a little awhile.

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You guys are great. I feel very welcome. Thanks a lot, gentlemen.

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- Zip

welcome

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Zip, welcome aboard. Tell us a bit more about your Wingwoman services. I'm in the NY area and I've found two rAFC wingmen to run with me. We could all use some extra help and insight.

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First of all, let me just clarify that I am here to learn and not to get new clients, but I'll talk quickly about formula and experience:

From what I've gathered, these are two of the main services pivots provide PUA's...
1.) Social proof- hot girl hanging out with you.
2.) Obstacle deflection- (I am an expert in AMOG pacification)

My clients are NOT PUAs. Therefore, I am the one opening sets. Since I'm a girl, I am more likely to break into high risk or high number sets. Because I'm Southern, I can usually do this in a ridiculously quick amount of time. That's one of the reasons my guys dubbed me "Zip."

So my experience has been:
1.) I open (usually with something like "Hello, My friend is supposed to be here any second, and I'm not from NY...do you mind if I hang out with y'all for a second?" YES it's lame, but couple that with an accent and people let down all guard)
2.) I hook group
3.) I give client social proof, but not overkill
4.) I locate main obstacle
5.) I signal client
6.) I isolate obstacle(s) with conversation, manipulation, or body positioning so client can isolate target
7.) A. Hopefully, client is doing well with my setup and can get at least a number close.
7.) B. If client is bombing, I ask client to get me a drink, I sweep away target (because I've been ignoring her for a while...it's a good excuse to get her away from group, befriend her, and tell her stories and facts about my client for more social proof)
8.) Take a break, regroup with client
9.) Go back in for the close.

Now, this formula obviously changes with each situation and I improvise a great deal, but you get the picture. Also, I've been doing this without knowledge of PUA lexicon or formula (all PUA references are things I've realized I already do and have now discovered terminology.)

I'm more interested in learning new material and new ways to play with social dynamic, so that's why I'm here.

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- Zip

And let me clarify my clarification: That doesn't mean I don't want to go out and wing with you fine gentlemen, I just mean I'm not looking to get hired. Think of it as going back to school to get my masters.

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- Zip

Yep Zip, there were certainly a few times in my life where I could have used a wing like you.

But then I would have approached it differently, since I never needed anyone to actually open sets, or warm a target for me.

Just providing a little social proof would have been quite adequate.

The trouble is, and I can see it clearly, because I've had this problem before. Is I can't imagine remaining platonic or detached with a smart, articulate and most probably very attractive woman like you hanging on my arm.

Have you ever found this to be a problem? Or are we to assume that most of your clients are relatively unskilled and inexperienced?

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Truthfully, with my guy friends (and all of my friends are male) it's never a problem. I'm just one of the guys to them. Once you get to know me and get over trying to jump my pretty blonde ass, I make you comfortable enough where it's not an issue.

With clients, it's perfectly clear there is NO chance of any hanky-panky. Also, with all the strategy, terminology, and game I spew to my AFC's... I'm pretty sure any attraction to me has been successfully abolished. It's never really an issue (I think these guys are way too intimidated by me to begin with.)

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- Zip

If you have a website Zip, you're welcome to include a link in your signature.

Interestingly, how were you drawn into pivoting (considering you’re a pro. wing)?

We get many, many sceptical AFCs on the forum who find it hard to believe that PU is a skill-set (and evolving art-form) that can be leaned, so if you shared some successful client stories (obviously without names), I think it would be beneficial to our male sceptics.

Ok you've peaked my interest...

I echo Brad on how did you get started?

Very interesting... How you and I both help our guys to accomplish the same goal (attracting women)... but do it from opposite sides of the spectrum in a sense.

PM me if you'd like... I'm actually intrigued enough that I'd be willing to take you on as "correspondence" student without charge.

Educated pivots are a phenominal help to the community in general.

So, you attract new clients via word-of-word mouth?

I’d like to see the reaction of (AFC) guys when you explain your services to them. I bet some are gob-smacked

When I try to explain to AFC mates, the nature of PU (approaching, opening, creating attraction & comfort, isolating/bouncing, closing, etc) they are usually quite bewildered

I imagine a female winging service could become quite popular, if marketed in a professional manner, especially if the females were schooled in the art of PU.

DD had two girls on his dvd set who did it and gave a talk

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