ok so i went out this past friday and saturday and i had some success in opening sets.

first night: friday i go into the city and go into some random bars alone. first bar i walk down the stairs order a beer and....sit there by myself not talking to anyone. i'm kicking myself. i lowered my value and i wrecked the whole room by not just jumping into the first set i saw.

i stay there for a bit until i go to another bar. guess what, i do the same thing.

finally, i go into a third bar. its much quieter than the other two, with less people. i walk in stand behind the bar and look around. off in the left hand corner is a two-set of hb7s talking amongst themselves. there's plenty of room so i walk over, order a beer, lean back, and give them my opener "hey guys real quick do you think i look like (celebrity)"? they look at me real good and say no not really your skin is too dark... blablabla. i say how someone at work said i looked like that person....we talk about it some more. the one girl says i look like another celebrity....i neg her and tell her she is mean. then i switched the conversation to whether i should get earrings or not. one girl says they only look good on black people...i'm like WHAAAT?? they both laugh and she's embarrassed for saying that. we talked a little bit more but i eventually turned away and walked to another part of the bar.

second night: i'm at the bar with a friend of mine when i lean over to two hb6s. i give them the same routine (celebrity, and earrings) they seem interested for a while. one grabs my hat a couple times to look at my hair (they are both hairdressers) 3rd time i'm like "why do you keep touching me i didn't give you permissoin" they laugh. eventually i couldn't think of anything else to say so i just leaned the other way and starting chatting with my friend again.

that set leaves, and i tell my friend how pissed i am cuz i lost them. he's like, just find some other girls that you want to talk to. i say ok and start walking towards a twoset of hb7s who are dancing and talking by themselves. i walk past them (nearly all the way past them), turn and say "i don't think you're a very good dancer" the girl says "oooh you better show me some moves if you're gonna come with that shit" before i respond other girl says "oh no you didnt!!" she's laughing and i'm like "yes i did....i'm a bad dancer and i know i'm better than her" they try to get me to dance again and i refuse (confidently, i wasn't being a pussy. i didn't have to do shit for them and i knew it). i then start a new thread to the "no you didn't" girl: "i was at the mall today and i saw a girl wearing the same hat who looked exactly like you" she's like "oh no, you're not starting with me now!" i'm like "yeah i am"

at this point i made a terrible mistake. i should have said "yeah she was really ugly" thus negging her (i told her the girl looked EXACTLY like her), but instead i pussied out and said "yeah that girl was pretty ugly, but you're not ugly you look ok".....................just like that, the girls turn towards each other and i am out of the conversation. i kept walking past to the restroom.

when i come back through, guess what, two AFC guys are talking them up, holding their beers up to their chests like fucking gorillas. i go back to my friend and we talk about what happened. the rest of the night we kind of observed them with the two AFCs. the girls were bored as fuck. the "no you didn't" girl looked at me a few times but i kept turning away. i still couldn't get over that rejection. in hindsight, the alpha thing to do would have been to look at her, smile, and use my finger to indicate she should come here, and then start a new conversation. this would have a)rescued her from the afcs. b)isolated her so we could talk one on one. and c)indicate i am so alpha that i can just call a girl to come over to see me like that.

next time i will do better!

any thoughts? any ideas on how to keep conversations going longer? also, how do you isolate one girl from another in a two set? it seems really hard because they don't want to leave the other girl alone.

You've done a very good job noticing your own mistakes, your opportunity to neg, and your opportunity to steal a target away from some AMOGs. That shows that you understand the game but need more direct experience, so you don't slip into AFC habits. I would like to add that you shouldn't beat yourself up for going directly into a bar and sitting for a drink, it doesn't really lower your value unless you sit there all night. You could tell yourself as you're going over to the bar, "Alright, one drink max, and then I'm roaming."

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yeah its just that once i get quiet i tend to stay quiet. i need to just go in there guns a blazing

we all have to start somewhere and failures are just lessons we can learn from. make sure your negs aren't actual insults. they're supposed to be comments that show the girl that you're not putting her up on a pedestal. i know negs are hard to calibrate especially on the spot but some research should help. I think busting her balls is a different story and if you've built some comfort instead of negging you can bust her balls playfully so that she feels challenged.

hahahaha. genius.

It sounded decent till the AFCish "but your Ok" line, and you noticed it which is excellent. And please make sure you can dance if you neg a girl on her dancing, it would show some nice DHV.

Also, never abandon yourself during a set, keep talking and go with your style even though you know you did something wrong. Girls will usually turn there head or go back instinctly if you DLV but if you come back at them with something interesting they will soon forget about what it was they lost interest in you. So your never down and out, keep fighting my brother.

Damn, damn, damn!!!! , U had real opportunities with the last 2 set. What rejection!!!? that wasnt a rejection that she gave you(about the girl you saw in mall with same hat). Im frigging disappointed in you.

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k-loc i sjust being an ass, keep trying bro!

Dude you weren't rejected. You were just locked out, they weren't impressed with your comment. I find when that happens,though, its really hard to get them back, or to redeem yourself, without looking needy.

But as you said, you had a perfect opportunity when those AFCs started talking them up. I've had that happen to me before, all you had to do was walk in there, take her by the hand and say 'follow me!' and taken her away. Once you isolated her you could potentially say she looked bored so you had to rescue her, or just go into a regular routine.

I found that when girls are looking cornered/surrounded by AFCs and looking somewhat bored/uncomfortable, you can easily (even if you haven't opened her before/talked ot her) just walk in there, take her by the hand or arm or waist or w.e, and say "follow me!" with a look of 'i gotta ask you/tell you something important'. She'll be very willing to follow you.

But yeah, you def. didn't get rejected. Listen to this. I opened a 6 set by talking to one of their friends, getting a cigarette from her, and just chilling. The group was relatively big, so I thought if I made myself known to one of them and got them interested in me, the target would be more willing/easier to open/attract. I negged the target, showed them a few magic tricks, then I rolled off..... came back later on and the response I got was

HB: I HAVE A COOL MAGIC TRICK FOR YOU!!
PUA: yea? what is it =/
HB: DISSAPPEAR!!
*all of them laugh at me and wait for me to leave*
I tried maintaining the frame and seeming unreactive....it almost worked. One of the friends seemed interested in me and asked what my name is, then says "Ok you have 2 seconds to get out of my face!"
So at this point....there was nothing more I could do...

I guess the mother hen of the group set their frame...by telling me to dissappear. Her friends laughed almost ON CUE...and I guess made them feel the need to prove themselves to her or something by joining her in getting me out of the set. Horrible... I actually have no idea what went on there...

I feel as if sometimes girls will be 'bitches' (that's right) just for the fuck of it

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sigh...
how do ya deal with the girls that are bitches for bitch sake...

r34ct, you could have possibly mentioned something there using a neg about them all laughing on cue, something like it reminds you of a bat sitcom where the man at the front has to hold a sign up to get people to laugh.

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overbayy, its all good and I know where you're at. I had the same thing happen. I think in general we learn more from our failures rather than our successes. I had the same type thing happen the other night at a party. This HB6 or 7 I opened was feeling me blah blah blah. We chatted. I bounced for a sec and I see her later with a TOTAL AFC! The biggest AFC at the party. And she was feeling him. I sat there and counted as she gave him 3 IOI's in a 10 sec span. What I learned from it was two fold:

(1) Once your locked out it is very hard to get back a set

(2) If you game a HB6 or 7 like she is a 10, your negs will just piss her off.

Keep trying though. You went to a different bar and began opening sets and thats what it is about.

OK. First of all, you have a certain amount of approach anxiety, which I tend to have also. But I see DLV's by you all over in this story. Most of your openers consist of you talking about yourself and asking them questions about you. Ask questions about them, make them think, entertain them. Only a man of low value has to talk about himself. A man of high value knows he is of high value and thus does not have to validate himself.

Also, negging right off the bat may not be the best policy. If you do that instead of capyuring her attention, she turns on her bitch defenses.

Just a few thoughts. Keep up the good work.