I usually try to close with or without IOI's, but this girl is in my social circle, so I wouldn't want a failure with her to prevent me from getting any success with her friends.

When I first met her she was so shy, wouldn't talk a word to me or my friends. She added me to FB -and she didn't add my friends, but well, I was the most talkative and friendly one so I can explain it. She's been initiating conversation everyday for more than 1 month.

I made some sexual comments the first day we chatted online -that conversation lasted 6 hours, from 11 PM to 5 AM lol. It was nice since she told me one of her fantasies.

I've also had lunch with her a couple times, but she is a lot shier in person, or maybe not so interested.

(Talking about my class, building material lessons -she is not my classmate as she is 4 years younger than me)

(not exact quoting since this conversation was in Spanish and I'm translating it)

Her: You should take your pants off, with no underwear as I guess you wear none, and slap your teacher with your thing and say 'hey, admire this building material'.
But well, yours is so small and so soft you wouldn't even impress her...

Me: Nah, I don't want to put my mates at a disadvantage.

Her: Is it THAT small?
If it was a building material all buildings would be like the Tower of Pisa.

Me: I know what to do with you.

Her: Yes, I too know what you want to do with me.

(omg she's giving me a beating)

Me: I'll take you to my class so you can check this material's resistance, the way you wish.
And knowing you, it's clear to me which test you will choose.

Her: Yes! I've done it in lab! I'll test your material's hardness with a steel perforator, I'll apply all my strength...
And I'll check if it can be cut with a knife... a coin might be enough...

Me: Wait wait. I think you shouldn't have the right to choose the test.

Her: Why not?
It's a magnificent idea.
If it was up to you I know what you would chose... and admit it you aren't good at it...

Me: Let my classmates decide!
I'm sure my female mates won't aprove your test (I ignored that "you aren't good at it")

Her: OK! I'll point at a girl in your class who has suffered a lot by men's fault.
Not so hard to find
She'll tell me what to do with your thing.

Me: But she'll know I'm different from all the rest
a good and innocent guy
and she'll perform a different test...

Her: Neither good nor innocent
That's what you want girls to think about you
And yes, she'll choose a different test... but not in a good way

Me: She'll use friction testing
and lubricating performance
and humidity resistance test
but she'll want to do it by her own, not just telling you, sorry.

Her: Friction testing using sandpaper
Humidity resistance test with sulphuric acid, how about that?
And don't forget a torsion test
I'll rip it off
But hey, aren't you the passive type of homosexual?
You won't miss it.

(so clever XD this is why I like her lol)

Me: Did I say I like your sexual fantasies?
Well, it was a lie.

Her: I so want to cut it off! And dissect it!

Me: Is it your greatest fantasy, dissecting my penis?

Her: This is not a fantasy.
But I admit this is turning me on...

Me: I'm meeting some friends now -truth
We'll keep talking about this.

Her: Noooo
You can talk to me through your phone.
Hey
Do you have any hot friends you can introduce to me?

Me: I am talking to you through my phone, actually.
But if I am with my friends I talk to my friends
And yes of course, all of them are ridiculously hot

Her: I don't believe you, I've met some of them...

Me: But I don't know about their dicks, we haven't got that far yet
In case you want to cut them off...

Her: Of course you know, but it's OK you don't want to admit it
How about the rest of their bodies?

Me: They all are hotter than me, so figure out.
Goodbye

Her: So they are average at best
Nooo

I'll have a shower
I don't want you to follow me in, you ignore me
I'll punch you

(I don't answer)


Well, she gave me a beating. I find this strange if she is interested. She's shy, it's her nature. I doubt she would be this... sexual? and this comfortable if she liked me. And when I meet her in person, she is so quiet I think I can't escalate...

Ok she gave you HUGE IOI, she's clearly interested. The thing about the hot friends is just a shit test to see how you would reply.

You did everything well, good job saying that you do have hot friends. I think the only mistake you made was saying "goodbye" right after, so you showed that you cared about what she said, instead your attitude must come from a position of abundance in which you have so many girls that if she goes with one of your friends you don't care.

About the shyness I would say bring her to drink so she can loosen up and secondly don't wait for her move, you have to do it, you are the man. Start with some kino and escalate.

Good luck.

OMG, a girl creeper.

I would so not worry about it and next her.

Thanks giacomolisotti and dlightmen.

Yesterday we chatted for 7, SEVEN hours. She initiated the conversation and began asking me a lot of questions about what I like in a girl, how many girlfriends and hook-ups I've had, whether I've said "I love you", and my thoughts on relationships. Well, and a lot of trivia. It seems nice...

And today:

Her: Today you ask me things about me, you can use the same questions.
Don't tell me you forgot -.-

Cool. Possible IOD's though...

Surprisingly, we argued and she seemed angry. She strongly believed her statements -"if you really like a person you'll be simply unable to hook up with another one", "sex implies a lot of emotions as you share something so deep"... I claimed what I think with strenght too. Well, I don't know what to think about her interest or disinterest, but I liked it since strong values are something that actually atracts me -and I said this later.

She ended up telling me I've never been truly in love. This time I agreed. And she told me I was lucky.

We spoke our minds, sometimes agreed, sometimes disagreed.

She said we boys are jerks -adding "yes, you too"- and she doesn't want to date them ever again -that she wish she was a lesbian -that she wants to care about her degree... I ignored this, but if she is still shit-testing me this is too much...

I'm meeting her tomorrow. And it's a free day, so we'll meet in a bar. You may want to know what I did to get that... date?... but no actual game, just asked her and she said yes. When she asked me why (once she had said yes), if I had to go somewhere near, I answered "I simply want to meet you". She repplied: and confirmed it.

Good... Maybe some IOD's but great IOI's, right? However, when we meet in person it's totally different, and she hates booze BTW. She's not sexual at all when she isn't in front of a computer and I feel I'll have to build rapport like we didn't know each other...

Basically consciously she's saying "I hate guys" while at the same time she's unconsciously attracted by you and falling for you...

Do you want to know what sparkles the attraction for a specific girl?
Just ask them what they hated about their ex boyfriends, you'll notice
that she'll make a list of things they all had and it's like a pattern they
follow on a specific set of things they can't help but be attracted to, while
consciously repelling them

G

Thanks G, no doubt you're right, but this time it's different -she said she was not sexually attracted to her ex-bf, although she liked him a lot at the beginning. And I didn't believe her when she told me she was so weird...

Well, I don't know why I like this type of girl, you'll see.

I've stopped negging her intentionally since I appreciate she takes one hour and 15 minutes to get where we had met. Plus she also had to escape from parental control -her mom called and she said she was preparing for her exam on Wednesday in a library... while we were in a park.

I threw out some SOI's, for example:

(talking about dogs)

Me: Then this big dog jumps on me, throws me on the floor, I was scared. And it starts mounting me!

Her: I've never been mounted by a dog. Well, in fact nobody in the world wants to mount me, not even dogs.

Silence. I didn't like that comment.

Her: Or maybe it's because they smell how hard to get I am! Ha ha.

Me: (now I smile) Nice. I like difficult girls.

Yesterday we talked for... 9 hours. 4 hours in person (we met in the bar and ended up sitting on a bench in the park), 30 min by the phone while I was at another girl's place waiting for her to dress up and make up, and 4 hours and a half (til 4:30 AM) when that friend and I finished dinner.

I don't know if she's sexually attracted by me but I do know she's so DEPENDANT on me. It could have been 24 hours if I hadn't to meet friends and then to go out dinner with my female friend. Everytime I had to say I had to go she pushed and asked me where I was going, with who and when I'd be available again. She even complained: "oh yeah, one more evening we can't talk :/".

(Obviously, she's trying to talk to me as I'm writing this, but I'm ignoring her right now)

But now the weirdest part, before you're tempted to call me a pussy for not kiss-closing

First, she is a virgin (age 19), since she's had a boyfriend I didn't expect this, but everyone has been a virgin once, so this is not the weirdest part.

But she told me she's never enjoyed a kiss. WTF?? When she is kissed she just gets bored, even when she liked the boy. I couldn't believe this but no reason to think she was lying -this time no flirting, we were talking seriously about ourselves. She told me she liked spending time with her ex-boyfriend but didn't enjoy making out with him at all, and while he wanted to fuck her, pushed and pushed, she was never turned on and after a pitiful relationship of two months she broke up with him. So her ex-bf pushed and pushed and didn't get her between his sheets -I know what not to do.

How am I supposed to kiss-close when I hear this?

Well, you were right, she was interested.

I took her on 3 dates and I felt like I couldn't escalate. No inverse kino, withdrawing her hand when I would touch it, my verbal escalation was just making her blush and try to change the subject... Conversation was 80/20 on me, unlike online chat -at least she was reactive to every word I said.

But...

Today she said she likes me (by chat, obviously -.-). I said I liked her too and set up a date -I must kiss-close now, escalating or not. No PUA stuff here so I don't post a report, I guess she was attracted from the beginning.