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"The difference between Me, You and Everyone" by XFMAN

To: PUA Community

My community, the PUA community; a happy community in which every member help each other, a community for self development and improvement.

A community is a social group of organisms sharing an environment, normally with shared interests. In human communities, intent, belief, resources, preferences, needs, risks and a number of other conditions may be present and common, affecting the identity of the participants and their degree of cohesiveness.

The word community is derived from the Latin communitas (meaning the same), which is in turn derived from communis, which means "common, public, shared by all or many"


Thanks wiki for putting this definition... I just can believe what this community has become in this few months and that includes YOU, I don't care if your a mPUA, your Mystery or your an AFC or just a new guy, if your part of this community this concern you !!

I don't know what to say, whats going on? whats all this search for building up fake Egos, fake personalities, this continues fight for being the AMOG or should I say the Alpha Male of the Community. This is going on in forums, blogs and Lairs.

Let me tell you something this community is built by every member, this community therefore depends on each member.

There are different PUA schools, we have MM, DD, RJ and the list goes on and on, the reason we have these many schools is because there is a difference between ME, YOU and EVERYONE; we all are different, we all have different reasons, we all have different ideas, we all have different techniques but we are here because we knew there was something to improve, fix or change.

There is no "best method" the only best method you can find is the one you like , the one that fit your characteristics. I have seen guys using C&F and NLP, guys using MM and Prizeability, there isn't a correct combination , there isn't a correct way or method.

To be direct or indirect, to call after 2 or call the next day...

If you find your own method, If you find that using C&F with some M3 works for you then go ahead, If you find that being as natural as you can works for you then go ahead. But that doesn't mean that you are right and everyone is wrong.

One guy showed me a video of a guy saying he goes straight to a lady and says he wants to be her love toy and he gets laid most of the time. LEt me tell you something , you don't have to take a side, that might work for him , why don't you try it and see if that works for you too, if it doesn't then you know.

Share your experience but don't become a close mind and become a Social Robot.

There are many things i could say to YOU, I might have been in the wrong track for many years and I just realized it, I might have done all the mistakes a PUA could make, and I could list them but that will not do it.

I can't do it for you... The AFC wants to be a PUA, there is a catch in all this things, The PUA is an ARTIST !!! You have to become a Social Artist you share your art and you don't care what other think about your art or if they think ti is art or not... YOU DON?T CARE BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS ART and you should be enjoying being a PU ARTIST !!! because this is your DREAM and the only way it will be true is that you start from the inside to the outside...

Stop Complaining, Stop trying to be recognized, Stop building your Ego around a bunch of guys because when they are gone you will have nothing, build yourself for you !! There is nothing better than being YOURSELF FOR YOURSELF.

I Could go back and tell you how many mistakes I have done, but I know that those mistakes were the best lessons someone could teach me.

"The end has no end."

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I hope you enjoyed it, and I post this to tell everyone that arguing about which method is better is a waste of time.
I rarely, if ever, "debate" or "argue" with people about which method of approaching women, conversing with them, and generally interacting with them is "better."

My attitude is, if you find a manner of approach that works for you in the best way possible, more power to you.

I generally advise those men who are "frustrated nice guys." That is my #1 demographic. Most of the guys I deal with generally know how to create platonic chemistry with women, and even to a certain extent, a mild degree of romantic chemistry.

The weakness with the vast majority of the men I advise is that they're generally "too nice" to women. Their behavior is too polite, too flattering, too accommodating, and/or too lenient.

Enter Mode One Behavior.

Mode One Behavior diminishes, if not flat-out eliminates the "I'm too nice (to women) syndrome."

But again ... if a man believes that the Mystery Method is more suited to his style, or David DeAngelo, or Swingcat, or Tariq Nasheed, I don't playa-hate against those guys.

I think all men should read as much material and books as possible so that they can make a valid, objective decision as to what is in their best interests.

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Yep I agree completely.

The more tools one brings, the more they can adapt to any social context they happen to find themselves in.

The MM is certainly more suited to cold approaching, bars, and generally places where the PUA is not known. Other techniques, or a combination of these can be more helpful in other circumstances.

I was on a thread the other day and a new guy couldn't understand why he had ticked off a long time acquaintance, by negging her as he was talking and building rapport with her on the bus. One that was apparently already into him. It was quite obvious that he was trying to work the MM backwards and was already in MM C1. This was certainly a time to escalate, not to insinuate via a neg that he wasn't interested in her and didn't want to be seen with her.

I think his comment was something along, "where are you getting off the bus, she says next stop, so he says, ok I'll wait until the next stop after that." :lol:

Incredible.

The thing that separates Mode 1, much like non-verbal communication skills is it is applicable to them all at some point during the interaction.

Then of course the question becomes one of transition and escalation. And when is it appropriate to do so. This of course depends upon the participants and the social context. And this is what often separates the MPUA's from the rest.

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I rarely, if ever, "debate" or "argue" with people about which method of approaching women, conversing with them, and generally interacting with them is "better."

My attitude is, if you find a manner of approach that works for you in the best way possible, more power to you.

I generally advise those men who are "frustrated nice guys." That is my #1 demographic. Most of the guys I deal with generally know how to create platonic chemistry with women, and even to a certain extent, a mild degree of romantic chemistry.

The weakness with the vast majority of the men I advise is that they're generally "too nice" to women. Their behavior is too polite, too flattering, too accommodating, and/or too lenient.

Enter Mode One Behavior.

Mode One Behavior diminishes, if not flat-out eliminates the "I'm too nice (to women) syndrome."

But again ... if a man believes that the Mystery Method is more suited to his style, or David DeAngelo, or Swingcat, or Tariq Nasheed, I don't playa-hate against those guys.

I think all men should read as much material and books as possible so that they can make a valid, objective decision as to what is in their best interests.

Alan
Yeah I agree with you.
And my post wasn't aimed to you (I wasn't saying you were arguing about your method being the best one.) , it was more an insight on methods and that you should find the one that fits you.

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Yeah I agree with you.
And my post wasn't aimed to you (I wasn't saying you were arguing about your method being the best one.) , it was more an insight on methods and that you should find the one that fits you.
Yeah Alan..

xfman was trying to school this 'old timer'..

He's too late. :lol:

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What? What guy wants to be a woman's "platonic boyfriend?"

I only deal with issues related to romantic and/or sexual chemistry and attraction. Honestly (not to sound too harsh, but...), I could care less about helping men become better "platonic friends" to women.

You don't need advice and wisdom from others for that....

You have a very narrow minded view of who can be seduced and what that seduction means. There are many situations where you can greatly benefit from seducing the other participant beyond platonic friendship. This includes people of the opposite sex as well as the same. Attraction can be created in anyone beond getting in their pants or hanging around with them.

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What? What guy wants to be a woman's "platonic boyfriend?"

I only deal with issues related to romantic and/or sexual chemistry and attraction. Honestly (not to sound too harsh, but...), I could care less about helping men become better "platonic friends" to women.

You don't need advice and wisdom from others for that....

You have a very narrow minded view of who can be seduced and what that seduction means. There are many situations where you can greatly benefit from seducing the other participant beyond platonic friendship. This includes people of the opposite sex as well as the same. Attraction can be created in anyone beyond getting in their pants or hanging around with them.
So you say. You can believe what you want to believe, but the bottom line ... again ... is no man can or will seduce every woman they meet. For you to say that "Given enough opportunity, such as time and encounters, ANY guy can create attraction in ANY female" is highly invalid.


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You have a very narrow minded view of who can be seduced and what that seduction means. There are many situations where you can greatly benefit from seducing the other participant beyond platonic friendship. This includes people of the opposite sex as well as the same. Attraction can be created in anyone beond getting in their pants or hanging around with them.
Its seems to me in an effort to be proven right you're trying to present some sort of "new zone" when there is only 2 zones that really exist in the world male to female interactions "platonic friend zone and "sexual interest zone"
and your "new zone" only equals the "platonic friend zone"
or maybe your trying to prove the theory you can have any girl you want thats the Mystery Method way of thinking which is not reality
but its thats what you believe then so be it I won't knock you off your beliefs

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This is becoming an interesting thread.

Alan, what differentiates Mode One in comparison to alpha male behaviour and direct game? Do you think there are significant and/or subtle differences?

Claire, would you prefer men to be direct and up-front with you? Or perhaps more subtle?


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Its seems to me in an effort to be proven right you're trying to present some sort of "new zone" when there is only 2 zones that really exist in the world male to female interactions "platonic friend zone and "sexual interest zone"
and your "new zone" only equals the "platonic friend zone"
or maybe your trying to prove the theory you can have any girl you want thats the Mystery Method way of thinking which is not reality
but its thats what you believe then so be it I won't knock you off your beliefs
I agree with Valance's point here. I would even go so far as to say that a decent PUA could have any women romantically... Now just because it's possible does not make it effecient.

The reason why we don't close every women we open is because we are constantly evaluating in our mind. Cost vs. Reward... "Is the juice worth the squeze"... Is it worth working on the happily life partnered lesbian for the couple years it may take to close her? Probably not... can it be done? Absolutely.

The minute you think that some women can not be closed by yourself... thats change from everythings possible just not feasible... to some things are impossible... that creates a limitation in your belief system... that means the choice is not yours, that means everytime you get blown out of a set... insted of conciously deciding you don't want to go back and win the set over because it's means more effort then potential for reward... That you didn't have the choice... you were the victim of impossible circumstance... and being a victim is a horribly weakening mindset, as we all know.

You can also only achieve those things which you believe are possible. Think of the story of Roger Banister and the 4 minute mile and the 10's of thousands who have broken it after he proved it was possible.

We must believe... and that is way I think it is very dangerous to allow beliefs into our belief system that limit things as impossible... or unattainable.


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Just found an interesting link with Mode One info: http://www.geocities.com/modeone2k1/M1-Backstory.html

Alan, if you want, you can add that pic (at the bottom of the page above) to the photo section of the PMZ is you wish.


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This is becoming an interesting thread.

Alan, what differentiates Mode One in comparison to alpha male behaviour and direct game? Do you think there are significant and/or subtle differences?

Claire, would you prefer men to be direct and up-front with you? Or perhaps more subtle?
Mode One Behavior is simply a form of the "direct philosophy" of approaching, conversing with, and interacting with women.

The main benefit of Mode One Behavior, is that when exhibited properly, it allows you to rather quickly identify and/or expose women who are what I refer to as "manipulative time wasters" and/or "Wholesome Pretenders."

Mode One is to Direct Game what The Atkin's Diet or South Beach Diet is to the Low-Carb philosophy.


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Just found an interesting link with Mode One info: http://www.geocities.com/modeone2k1/M1-Backstory.html

Alan, if you want, you can add that pic (at the bottom of the page above) to the photo section of the PMZ is you wish.
Another link (to essentially the same page) is http://www.modeone.net/archives/M1-Backstory.html

I'll have to find the photo section....


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I like your cheek, welcome to the forum!

Although, your number one fan, Claire, may be a little aroused by the photo… :P
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Just found an interesting link with Mode One info: http://www.geocities.com/modeone2k1/M1-Backstory.html

Alan, if you want, you can add that pic (at the bottom of the page above) to the photo section of the PMZ is you wish.
Another link (to essentially the same page) is http://www.modeone.net/archives/M1-Backstory.html

I'll have to find the photo section....


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I agree with Valance's point here. I would even go so far as to say that a decent PUA could have any women romantically... Now just because it's possible does not make it efficient.
Sorry Doctor ... but again, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't believe any man can attract any woman. And I think when you maintain that belief, in the long-run, it hurts you more than it helps you.

How?

Let's say "Brian" goes to a social event, and identifies "Tanya," "Linda," and "Janet." Let's say Brian approaches all three women, shoots his game, and is essentially rejected by all three women.

If he believes that he has the power to attract all three of these women (or at least, one of the three) simply by adhering to a set of principles, methods, techniques, or philosophies, then he is going to potentially become "over-aggressive" and/or annoyingly persistent.

I've seen this happen with men dozens of times.

The closest I come to agreeing with you (and Valence) is that I do believe that a man can attract any woman who happens to be resisting him. But there is a distinct difference between rejection and resistance.

What I believe in, is that you should never be afraid to approach a woman, and let your interests be known to her in the most highly self-assured, upfront, specific, and straightforwardly honest manner. In that sense, I don't believe you should ever "limit" yourself regarding who to approach, and who not to approach.

But you have to be able to realistically recognize when a woman is just plain and simply not attracted to you.
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The reason why we don't close every women we open is because we are constantly evaluating in our mind. Cost vs. Reward... "Is the juice worth the squeeze"... Is it worth working on the happily life partnered lesbian for the couple years it may take to close her? Probably not... can it be done? Absolutely.

The minute you think that some women can not be closed by yourself... thats change from everythings possible just not feasible... to some things are impossible... that creates a limitation in your belief system... that means the choice is not yours, that means everytime you get blown out of a set... instead of consciously deciding you don't want to go back and win the set over because it's means more effort then potential for reward... That you didn't have the choice... you were the victim of impossible circumstance... and being a victim is a horribly weakening mindset, as we all know.

You can also only achieve those things which you believe are possible. Think of the story of Roger Banister and the 4 minute mile and the 10's of thousands who have broken it after he proved it was possible.

We must believe... and that is way I think it is very dangerous to allow beliefs into our belief system that limit things as impossible... or unattainable.
On one end, I agree that you should never "limit" your opportunities, but at the same time, I believe men have to be realistic.

I can be as confident as I want to be ... but if I simply "believe" that I can go into the ring against an Ultimate Fighting Champion with years of experience in mixed martial arts and win, that is foolish.

Trust me dude. I've seen men make this mistake literally dozens and dozens of times.

That's one of the criticisms I had with the sub-title of Mystery's book (re: "you can get ANY woman into bed"). That is bullsh**.

If you can ... go and get an ugly, obese, uneducated homeless man ... clean him up ... groom him ... and let him read all of the attraction & seduction books available ... and then tell him to go and approach women who look like Halle Berry, Jessica Alba, Rebecca Romijn, or others.

See how much success that guy has....


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If he believes that he has the power to attract all three of these women (or at least, one of the three) simply by adhering to a set of principles, methods, techniques, or philosophies, then he is going to potentially become "over-aggressive" and/or annoyingly persistent.

I've seen this happen with men dozens of times.
Yep, I have seen this as well..

A guy that believes he can do anything, even in the face of a reality that indicates otherwise often blames others for his failures to live up to what he believes in his mind is the truth.

I call this an 'incongruent frame'.

It would be similar to a guy believing he can jump off a 100 story building naked and survive. The reality of course is quite different.

Doesn't make much sense to blame the building for your own incongruent frame.

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