I'm with Stan, sort of. Respecting a woman's comfort zone is one way to make her happy...it just seems that women's comfort zones are MUCH wider than some of us (including me) were taught to believe at a young age.

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"Simple. Escalate, if she's into you, she will escalate with you, if not, you will know soon enough." - SexAddict911

oh yeah I rememeber heart 2 PUAs saying this, including the PUA master. But they both turned out to be emotional unavailable guys.

A gentleman is someone not trying his luck on every hot girl, and whos willing to spend time to get to know the girl first, not pushing for sex. And successful relationship does not involve tricks and games

You sound upset, is everything ok?

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Thanks,
Stan

"don't listen to this creeper reputation bullshit, girls like to get hit on / get attention, don't be afraid to do so, girls forgive advances, but they NEVER FORGIVE PUSSIES" - from pumpington

lol relax~I was just talking about a guy i know who is an old school true gentleman

Why does everything have to be about relationships?

Because thats how we human survived for this long

And that's what I don't get. Guys in North American seem to be all about sex but not about love. If you tell a girl you love her too soon you'll come across as strange, but at the same time guys in this continent just seem to want sex. It seems like a terrible cycle that makes itself worse and worse.

My cousin who dated a white girl had her complaining about how he "loved her too much." You cannot even put those words together in my language. In my culture we have words for infinite and endless love. We have stories about men who loved a women so much that he can feel what she feels miles away because that love is magical. My father won my mother over with the line "Never have I seen true beauty 'til this day" a line which no one here would probably recommend and you can see my parents happily married for 25 years and you can feel the magical love they have. My father did not have to "neg" her or anything. No wonder you guys have such a high divorce rate here.

I want to know why men here are so primitive? Forget sex, love is the most beautiful thing that you can't even see. Women here are no better falling for guys with "game" instead of checking out the guy who might be too shy to talk to you, or brushing off "losers" because they spilled their heart out for you, and for this lady here, the couple of guys here who have to put a PUA front just to impress her and intrigue her, because let's face it, without the front, she won't even notice them.

It is a terrible circle, me and my gfs have been talking about how we really want to lower our defence n simply lose control and fall in love, but the truth is that here in my city, everyone play games, if you are too serious you get hurt. My own experience and friends' stories confirmed it, so nobody now is willing to be vulnerable. We got hurt and we hurt guys in return, it just goes on. When I was fussy to guys, they would treat me like a queen, whereas when I treated guys nicely they got fussy - its frustrating

I guess it human nature to get attracted to someone uncontrollable and challenging, but the truth is if a guy is acting like that to you, he's probably just not that into you. A guy in love is a vulnerable little boy. I remember a friend telling me how his grandpa still kisses his grandma good night after 50 yrs of marriage- that, is what most girls want ultimately. But...this is def not the place to talk about love.


oh and btw where are you from? Guys from your continent sounds like really good boyfriend material

I'm from Turkey, although it has been a very long time, so things may have changed there too. They try too hard to be "western" these days.

I have an intro topic here. The reason that I came here is that my ice breakers have not worked very well with girls in this country. I tell her how I feel, and they laugh at me and tell me "that's so cheesy" or the nice ones are "aww, that's cute" and walk away leaving me embarrassed and less willing to talk to more girls...

You have to realize that from all the stories I've read around places like this so far that the guys that are most successful so far want to be able to get as much women as possible and into their pants.

I can care less about having a ton of sex, I want to unconditionally love someone and it's ridiculous that I have to think about doing this not coming across weird in this day and age.

I guess that I shouldn't rush it at the same time, my father always told me that the right girl will come to me when I least expected, and I will know that she is the one.

I get what you gals are saying but we are guys, we don't have girls hitting on us we don't have choice and for some guys approaching a girl can be a daunting task, just as skydiving or wrestling an alligator mayb for sum. The point i'm trying to bring across here is that sex is a human NEED just like food,water and breathing and if we guys need to be in a relationship or find love to have sex then sum of us would prob get laid like every 2 years or in some cases NEVER.

It's only a daunting task if you make it that in your mind. If you have the mindset that a single rejection will send you into despair.

What Elise is saying is that she wants to meet men who aren't afraid of approaching her, who aren't ashamed of their desire and who don't need games to stay in control of the relationship.

Women don't want to make it "easy" for us. Rather, they want to make it hard. At least the good ones do. They want to reject us to see how we react. The rejection is only the start of the courtship. It's up to you to demonstrate how unaffected you are by it. Crack a smile. Make a joke. Be cheeky. And even if she isn't physically attracted to you (the basis for the original rejection), she'll suddenly become curious about why you're so damned confident. In this way, attraction blooms.

Well that's just not true. Almost every girl I talk to doesn't reject me to start the courtship. Most of them talk to me and get all touchy and then we make out. I can't think of a single time a girl has rejected me at first and hooked up with me that night. Sometimes it's happened a few months later when their situation was different, but not seconds later.

I find more often the problem is rejection or lack of connection after you've had sex a few times. If you don't start to open up fast enough most girls tend to lose interest because they think you have no intention of moving forward when often it's a simple case of not feeling comfortable opening up so quickly.

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La Dolce Vita.

Congrats on that. But I think it gets awfully tedious. I like the girls who make it a challenge. The ones who have so many men after them that it becomes goddamned daredevil contest of who can be boldest and brashest.

Women use the word "easy" to describe other women, and so what woman wants to be known as "easy"? For this reason, the really good ones make it hard on men to get close to them. They enjoy throwing obstacles, just to see how we maneuver around them. And why shouldn't they? They've worked hard to be beautiful and so a man should work hard to have them.

Hot chicks put out more and easier. I would love if girls were more open to extending the relationship but I have ridiculously high standards and most simply aren't. Don't ask me why. I wish I knew. But this article seems to sorta say what I'm noticing myself.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/attractive-p ... 59-19.html

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La Dolce Vita.

Based on what? An extensive study of how hard it is to bang ugly chicks? Come on, man. You're really going to tell the newbie to just hit on the hottest chick in the place, because she's "easy"?

I'd tell him to hit on her, but do it because it's hard. Because it shows that you're fearless. Gentlemen, do NOT settle for easy. Do NOT hope for the perfect pickup opportunity. The more difficult the challenge, the more impressed the woman will be by the attempt. Sometimes, even the failure will be impressive, so long as it's obvious that you're unaffected by it.

The women I've known are constantly wanting to tell their girlfriends stories. And in those stories, they want to be seen as being extremely hard to get -- but for the incredible courage and audaciousness of their pursuer. And this is the frame of mind you need. Fearlessness. A love of danger.