OK, today I was at the mall sarging with SirSlick. So there was this Hired Gun at Forever 21. I met her 2 weeks ago. Couldn't do anything with that. But today, I opened her by bumping to her, I looked at her as if saying, "hey you look familiar." She remembered me from 2 weeks ago. So I thought that was a huge IOI, since our convo was short last time.

ME: Hey, it's you...I forgot uR name(we never exchanged names in the last meeting.)
HB8: *******
ME: Maui
HB8: So do you need anymore advice this time?
Me: Yeah, where's the men's section.
Obviously she was extremely busy, so she was walking away.
HB8: [laughs] There's no men's section here.
I leave her alone for a while and looked for SirSlick, since I don't wanna follow her coz its needy and its a DLV. We debriefed what happened. I thought I had a Number close in the bag.

So I went back in and approached her
ME: Hey, you give bad advice! I've been looking for the men's section for a long time and I still haven't found it.
HB8: [laughs] There's no men's section here
ME: Really? uR such a liar!
ME: You have an accent---*interupted me
HB8: I'm filipino
ME: No fucking way? I'm filipino, I fucking love filipinos. I can't even talk to you now! *back turn*
HB8: Laughs***
ME: OK, so do you speak tagalog?
HB8: Fluently
ME: Liar!
then some customers interupted the convo. I didn't wanna stay so I left...again! And approached her later

I saw her on her knees folding clothes and went in again
ME: So how much do they pay you to get on uR knees?
she smiles...
ME: So there's an emergency that just happened right now, and I had to get going. It'd be nice to get uR number.
HB8: *Pauses...looks down and hesitate for like 15 seconds.
ME: Is that a yes
HB8: umm...I don't know, maybe
Me improvising again...*sigh* I thought it would work again
ME: Listen, I'll give you my phone and you can do what ever you want with it.
*gay...I gave her the power..=/
HB8: I don't know, I might get in trouble...
Me: well what time do you get out
HB8: Eleven
ME: Well I'm not here that time...



Then I left. Any advice guys??? PLS?

How about you use...

Listen. How about you just give it to me, i will only send you 20 messages a day and call you all the time.

If she doesn't give it then, i would say she just doesn't want to.

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FOR THE FUTURE:

Get more IOI's before going for the close. Her remembering you might have been an IOI its debatable but not a huge one. You did good with negs and confidence but try to get more attractiong going for you, example when you said "I'm filipino to icant talk to you now" watver it was explain why, maybe a dhv spiked story about you in the filipines or your exgirlfriend that modeled there was was from there whichever (possible opener for next time you go back by the way, and yes you can go back) and second mistake was the way you asked for it. Good time constraint line but wrong timing. I don't know if its just me but I would have went at it diffrent. An SOI at the right time is powerful it tones down the cocky funny (nice line when she was on her knees by the way) into a more serious tone, because without one you just seem like that playfull funny guy. Let her know you're intrested, but the right way

You: "you know you're a very pretty girl but beauty is common to me. I want to know what sets you apart from all the other girls what are your best 3 qualitys but they can't be about your looks"
HER: blah blah blah *seem and hopefully be intrested
YOU:"well I like a person that is/has (your choice), (one she said), and artistic. Well you got (1 or 2) out of 3. Would you say your an artistic person?"
HER:"Yeah I guess..."
YOU: pull out the pad and pen give it to her "show me how artistic you are"
she will probply not know what to do then take it back write (___) ___-____ ok lets try again show me how creative you are. And smile
That's an example or the ESP routine even the cube (don't finish it stop at some point FTC get her number to finish up the cube and there you go) if you think its not akward and can go for it again then these are just a few ideas. The point is not to ask for a number with the intent of calling cuz you like her.

WHAT TO DO NOW:
A solution that comes to mind is jelousy. What you need to do is build your alpha male status, it doesn't sound like she knows how great of a person you are so why should she take your number? (I number closed with a hired gun at the mall just last week and after I got the number I loved hearing this line "if my manengers around be careful cuz I don't want to get in trouble" ) the line she gave you was true but that shouldn't stop her from giving it to you....

Go to the mall open a set with one or a group of females (at least 7s) "I need help picking out an outfit for my cousin" or bring a set with you to help out. Head over to forever 21 smiling with your new friends. (Preselection, "the main attraction" of the group) approach your pinoy target high energy go cocky funny tell her to help you out (verbal lock in, humor,confidence) neg her on taste when she suggest stuff playfull though don't make an ass of yourself infront of the other girls, or you night show that her not giving the number affected you. Then tell your "friends" good bye and thanks. then try to get an instant date for her lunch break insted of when she gets out (to stalker-ish) if you go on the instant date run some routines palm reading ect. (You can findon this site) and it should get to the point where not getting her number would be akward. If no on the date metion a place you and your "friends" might go to afterwards don't invite her. Talk a little, stories ect. Do the beauty is common and number close. Then say " magbi guy ako utak " haha DON'T SAY THAT! (don't know if I said it right but its tagalo for "give me head") let us know how it goes brotha!!!

Zeal

thanks guys...zeal uR awesome!

Hey no problem bro I forgot to add at the end after she "wins you over" by telling you her best qualities invite her to that place you mentioned earlier let me know how it goes.

What I noticed was that you used Mystery's "two steps forward, one step back." I may not be the best person to critique it, since I've never been a fan of it, but you should allow her to re initiate the chat afterwards. If she is interested, she WILL re initiate. I also noticed how quickly you left when she has customers, that was good. You never want to be standing around like you're waiting for something. I will agree that the offering of your phone number wasn't too great, women usually see it as a desperation move.

I was interested in knowing how long a time period these three convos were initiated.

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lol...hey zeal who taught you that tagalog sentence? its wrong its "Bigyan mo ako ng ulo" = give me head


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the first convo was like, a minute at least. The 2nd maybe 6 or 7...since I did some opinion openers coz the convo was dying. The 3rd and last was about 3 or 4 min...