To be honest, there is no science to picking up women. Some girls like bad guys, some like the nice guys. Whatever you say that works with one girl might not work with another. It's impossible to get any girl you want because everyone is programmed differently. If a girl introduces herself and you say: "that name's not hot enough- I'm going to call you Roxanne." and you refer to her as that throughout the conversation; she's going to either laugh and think you're funny, or throw her drink in your face because she thinks you're a jerk. Some girls just don't like cocky guys- likewise, if you're timid and too much of a wimp, girls might find that attractive because a sensitive guy is rare...or think he's a bitch and isn't interested in another pussy.

What you seem to be missing is that most girls are attracted to certain characteristics in a man, and will be interested in a man who properly displays these general characteristics which are not obvious to society at large. Also these attractive attributes that differentiate a PUA from an AFC are not obvious and often counter intuitive to how men think and normally empathize with.

This can be empirically shown when you examine a Pareto curve of what percentage of men attract the bulk of woman, and realize this process operates under a power law which your theory would not support.

I agree with most of this, but you can learn to read girls and put forward the aspects of your personality that will be most appealing to her. Vin di Carlos Pandoras box is kinda based on that idea. It's pretty solid. But the fact is, you can probably only pick up about half the girls that think you're physically acceptable.

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Which is why you must be both, depending on circumstances.
I agree. It is impossible to get any and every girl you want.
Bullshit, it all depends on your delivery. If you can deliver it right, no one will throw a drink in your face.
These are not mutually exclusive. You're missing the point. The point isn't to be asshole cocky, it is to be confident, and confident guys tend to be a little cocky. Even just jokingly cocky which is what I do and it works wonders. Also, being sensitive is not the same as being timid and a pussy. I'm an extremely sensitive guy, but I'm also a cocky bastard. They are not mutually exclusive characteristics and the 'science' in pick-up is to be able to get a good mixture of the two to work for you.

WOW! You know nothing of courtship if you don't realize that courtship is a science. It is both an art and a science, because it requires both creativity and knowledge.

If you are understand the science of body language, understanding what creates people, what emotions they carry, understand their emotions, etc. Then you can predict a persons behavior, their reactions, and understand what attracts them.

Even more important is discovering your own type, knowing what type you have, and where you are most likely to find them, how to attract them. To me that is all based on research and if you look even more closely you'd realize that it is all science. Understanding the science of people and art of interacting come hand in hand in every courtship interaction.

Gauging what that person likes or loves and using it to build rapport is both an art and science. Knowing where a person is putting a mask on and when that person is being honest and true is both an art and a science. Very few people could, without training, know what someone is thinking, or how they are feeling. Learning to understand that person at that moment, and how you can interact with them best is both a science and an art.

Sorry dude, but while your statements hold truth, it was far to broad a statement to be true. Everything I've learned from a science standpoint has helped me so much, I think those who haven't researched the science of courtship enough are merely ignorant, but your true sin is your apathy for the science.

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I disagree with the OP...
women may have different personalities from eachother...just like guys...but all straight women are gettable.
the personality is only one aspect of a person...and it acts as a shield, especially when someone new comes along and hits on them...
the art of pick up is knowing how to ge beyond that shield.

In my experience, girls do want different type of guys, it's like a ladder...


HB 0-4 = Nice guys -- They are too ugly to actually get a bad guy to be interested in them
HB 5-7 = Nice guy, but don't be clingy/needy -- They want a bad guy, but can't so they'll settle for the nice guy if he's not invading their space
HB 8-10 = Bad guy -- They have hundreds of nice guys to boost their ego, but will chase the one guy that doesn't seem interested in them

By bad guy, I mean the player, whether is MM or Natural.

Cheers!

There are women out there that you just can't get no matter what. They're extremely picky and won't be with a guy of a certain race or because they have tattoos(or lack of tatoos). What you say and how you say it can only get you so far. It's the same with your voice- you can't change it therefore, you could attract some girls, but not others.

Learning to be a social chameleon is far easier then you are showing, there is always the girl who dates a guy who "isn't her type". However if you don't believe you are a capable of it you will be undoubtedly correct. We tend to manifest our beliefs.

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The most you can get out of learning pickup is to be more confident, learn a bit about body language, and memorize some scripted dialogue. There are some girls that you just can't get- not matter what. Such as real quality girls- the ones you find in a bookstore rather than at a bar. If you're not their type, it's not gonna work out no matter how smooth you are or how much game you spit.

That is why there is such a thing as calibration...

You have no understanding of what natural game really is, which is all about inner game and self improvement. It isn't about tricks, it isn't about memorization. It's about becoming a better you.

You can get real quality girls with these techniques, if you had any skills you'd be able to pull plenty of good quality girls. Girls in bookstores, grocery stores, classes, where ever, because it isn't about learning one thing and it works everywhere. It's about constant improvement and being able to adapt and understand social interaction. Knowing when to push and when to pull.

While some girls are more difficult you make it seem as if you won't get any good out of this, you can't get every girl, but you can make yourself attractive to the girls you want. You can make it so that a lot of different girls are attracted, I use to joke if you gave me a 10 minute conversation with a girl she would crush on me. It was pretty true too, I can build attraction very quickly, even when a girl is with a guy. I've had girls flash me, we were flirting pretty heavily with me when they were on a date with another guy, on one occasion even pulled up their shirt and flash their bra/boobs to me. That guy was sporting a 5,000 watch, and was obviously well off, yet she was showing serious attraction signs to me.

Getting girls isn't about what you own, or being wealthy, it's about being an attractive person. If anyone ever says that you can get every single girl they are an absolute liar, however, there are some guys who I've come across that get a ridiculously large percentage of the girls they meet and want though. I've come across some guys that get numbers at work, bars, bookstores, grocery stores, anywhere, I've receiving girls numbers, on trips(planes and buses), at work, poker tournaments, concerts, bars, grocery stores, restaurants(servers and patrons), vegas strip(just picked up on them).

You can get very good cool girls, it isn't that difficult. Girls aren't just magically different because they are cool or your type, they are mostly very similar. They mostly have the same chemicals, they mostly have the same needs, they mostly like the same traits, they mostly have the same reasons for having sex, and they mostly care for the same things. You don't seem to care for learning, so this really is a waste of time, but realize this girls will become attracted to you when you make them feel good. A girls attraction to you correlates with how good you make them feel. That is why sense of humor is such a desirable trait, learn a sense of humor and some other techniques for building rapport and you will become very attractive to every person you meet.

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Excellent post.

So what? Since when has our goal ever been to get EVERY girl? That's just stupid. Dating is a numbers game. We know that if we approach X number of girls, then we'll find one we like that will have sex with us. We are here to increase the probability of that happening. Before I found the forums, it might have taken me 100 women (and a considerable amount of time)... now it might take a small handful of women and one night. That's progress.

Moreover, I am now a more confident, happier person. Pickup has helped me immensely.

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