Well not exactly, I believe that they need affirmations and some techniques to help with the approach but when I say they need to be themselves, I'm implying they shouldn't add anything on but rather loose the persona of the "player" that most wemon can see almost instantly, that's where the guidelines fall into place such as banter (playful flirting, role-play, ect..) so that they can understand what they should be doing in the interaction, as far as approach anxiety tho if a guys not willing to go out and try something and risk getting "hurt" then he's not ready to pickup wemon beacuse how else can you learn from your mistakes if you don't make them in the first place, your given the mindset and guidelines of an interaction, a few techniques on body language and non verbals a couple rationalizations and then they havta make the move and approach, no scripted openers or routines, no tricky nlp or any of that to remember, not even mirroring, just be who you are while still following the guidelines of banter and qualifying and rapport, that's what worked, I learned I went out made mistakes learned from them and became a better person all together, but in order to do that you gotta overcome your fears yourself thats what I was taught was natural game

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Id rather be the one in a relationship instead of some guy id pretend to be...

That's what I am saying is necessary. But your assuming all guys can just get over their anxiety and socialize with women. If they were capable of that, they would not have have turned to pua in the first place. A lot of newbies need the structure of game, in order to get through the initial stages of pickup. Without this structure, a lot of guys wouldn't be able to do an approach or start talking with women.

Perhaps, you personally, weren't that bad socially to begin with. But a lot of guys are. And to tell them to just "get over their fear" and "go out and be themselves", is not really advice, it's just cliches they've heard their entire life.

I'm not saying natural game is bad. I've said many times that that should be the end goal of pua. But what I've also said many times is newbies cannot start out as naturals. Maybe your idea of newbie and my idea of newbie are different. But a newbie to me is someone who is an afc and is filled with all kinds of false beliefs about women and dating, and is scared shitless to approach and interact. How could this guy "just be natural"? He can't, he isn't ready for it yet. He must first be broken down before he can be rebuilt.

As far a structure goes I 100% agree, that's what the guidelines are that get taught, and I'm not saying they go and try and take it on the chin immediately, that's what the rationalizations are for.. like if she rejects you then she's saving you time that you didnt havta waste on trying to get her and such, bassicly when it comes to approach "anxiety" it's just you rationalizing why you can't or shouldn't talk to her, and when we teach you positive rationalizations then you actually rationalize yourself over to talking to her, then it goes on to bodylanguage which if your bodylanguage is confident then so is your mind because the mind follows the body, you still have to learn things like everyone else but none of it is tricking her subconsuois to like you or saying the perfect pickup line to get her, hopefully that made it a little clearer, I think were on the same page beacuse I agree with alot of what your saying it's just we were taught different methods with the same general ending

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if actions speak louder than words then imagine what your intentions are screaming

to succeed you must learn, to learn you must first fail

Id rather be the one in a relationship instead of some guy id pretend to be...

Yeah, I think I have been misunderstood on this thread a bit. I am a full proponent of natural game. I just think you have to work toward that level of self-confidence and ability with women. So basically scripted game is an introductory course and natural game is a graduate course. You can't skip ahead or you will be unprepared.

ya i guess it couldnt hurt to bad to look into scripted game to begin with to see how things work as long as you dont make it a crutch and always rely on it, and looking back i used to do some scripted stuff at the begining but after a while it would always bomb out and thats when i turned to the natural pickkup , but i did learn a little from scripted game

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if actions speak louder than words then imagine what your intentions are screaming

to succeed you must learn, to learn you must first fail

Id rather be the one in a relationship instead of some guy id pretend to be...

Exactly. You strike me as a guy who didn't need too much inner game work. It seems from what you wrote that you had most of your game together starting out, and all you needed was some slight direction and a little motivation. That's a great thing, my posts weren't directed toward guys like you. They were directed toward guys who needed a temporary structure to help build their confidence and abilities. Which were the same guys who might use the idea of "natural game" as a way to avoid change and stay the same.

I think I strongly agree with Kasabi....

If u were natural, why you u all even bother to read this forum just to get laid....

natural is predicate for them who born to get laid

Or dilkashi it might just be that everyone on this forum is a developing pua i mean it is called the mpua forum not the newbie forum, if you dont understand what everyones saying and it seems confusing then theres plenty of free products out there that can help, and theres no evidence to prove that everyone here is a "keyboard jocky" now do some people give bad advice, sometimes yes, but that doesnt mean the whole forum is bad, theres plenty of great things that developing pua's can learn from here, like other people mistakes or a new technique that works. as far as people on the forum fighting between themselves its just that people were raised differently in how they learned the game, rather it be natural or scripted so ya there will be conflicting discussions, now if it escalates to cussing and violence then its obvious there not real pua's, besides no ones forcing you to read everything on here, if you dont like it dont read it and find something else, and if you find theres nothing on this forum then maybe being a pua isnt for you, but theres no reason to say gambler and adams products are a waist of money... have you tried them personally, my point is you cant rag on something if youve yet to try and experience it, and the only reason people would be confused on this forum would failure on there own part for not doing more research.

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if actions speak louder than words then imagine what your intentions are screaming

to succeed you must learn, to learn you must first fail

Id rather be the one in a relationship instead of some guy id pretend to be...

For me, "natural game" is about integrating meeting and sleeping with women into my life so that it happens naturally.

It's not about having no lines or just 'being yourself'. It's about designing your life and your lifestyle so that meeting new women happens regularly and automatically and then having the skills to capitalize on that.

I'm a firm believer that no one is born a natural. All the naturals learnt the skills they have and those skills can be learnt by anyone.

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The natural game is supposed to contrast with MM, canned routines. Both are effective but go at it by different methods. for new PUA, they need to try to get inner confidence (a key tenet of natural game) and outer game through practice. using canned routines can help this but after they get sick and tired of pulling words from their ass, the more experienced members want to learn how to be authentic and genuine in their approach. here is where natural game comes in because it teaches how to transition from normal pick up to natural gaming. natural gaming is arguably harder because you dont have a structured goal except to close. natural game flows. if you learn natural game, you learn how to go with the flow. Once this happens, you can handle anything. Thus why natural game is important to differentiate the naturals, AFCs and PUAs

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