I've always been curious about it but wondered a few things.

1. If you shouldn't attempt it when your target is with her friends then how can this be done in a bar for example? in most cases it's hard to find a girl sitting by herself.

2. If using this at a club, music tends to be very loud. if you're screaming so your voice is heard over it, it eliminates the whole 'being serious and nonchalant' about it.

and 3. Can anyone say they've had this work before?

What is the apocalypse opener?

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Hey look at that!
What?
That! You dont see it?
No not really....
Oh come on theres nothing i just wanted to talk to you. Whats your name?

1. You gotta isolate her... just gently tap her and be like... come here, i need to ask you something, and then use the opener

2. you're right about that, loud music can be annoying, yelling in a girl's ear is not sexy... do it in an area where it's easy to talk

3. i'm sure it has, depending on how it was executed, how drunk or slutty the girl was, and there was probably more added to the opener. the opener is a start, and it sets the tone immediately, but you still gotta finish

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Some people are like slinkys, not really good for anything but make you smile when you push them down the stairs.

Used this recently (its where you ask a girl "what are you doing tonight?" then when they say "i dont konw/not sure/nothing" say "how about you come home with me then" and you ask it like you're asking her favourite colour)

I was dancing around a bit, had social proof because i knew some girls nearby who were dancing with me and we were all laughing.

i was ignoring the target who was very close and surely noticed me (found out later she did) and was sometimes joining in the dance.

I left and did my own thing elsewhere for 10mins then came back and noticed her and came up behind her with my hands on her hips and whispered in her ear the Apocolypse Opener and she said ok. 10mins later we left and went to hers (because my house is like 30mins from the clubs, $70 taxi ride AND i live with my parents!!! )

I think you mainly need social proof

this all helps, thanks!

as for 'social proof'... you mean to say that this opener can't be done without the girl knowing you aren't socially retarded? so to speak...


also, sorry. guess I should've posted this....
http://www.bristollair.com/2008/outer-g ... se-opener/

this makes sense, but would tapping her on the shoulder and isolating her affect the whole presentation? it seems like it wouldn't be as nonchalant as you want it to be if you do this.


and true, the opener is JUST an opener...but how would you finish it then?

Just be playful and natural, be assertive and confident and stay to the point.. don't shift the conversation to another direction.

I'm in Miami right now and I used this opener last night at a bar... straight up went to this columbian chick (definitely a 9) and said.. "what are you doing later tonight... no fuck that, why don't you come back to my hotel instead". Her english wasn't the best, but she knew what i meant. It didn't work but she got a kick out of it and laughed her ass off, and i still talked to her for a good while. Man I love this opener.

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Some people are like slinkys, not really good for anything but make you smile when you push them down the stairs.