I've been watching the Show "KEYS to the VIP" and straight away I can tell guys who are using mystery method.

and the first trick out the bag is always the opinion opener!!

Why does this sly indirect way of talking to a girl work????

What is the true mechanism behind it that works.

Because I'm afraid that there will come a day where women will see PUA a mile away using opinion openers.

Some indirect openers are good, and will make the set talk to each other’s discussing and trying to help a stranger what you are trying to convey is I’m not interested in you, only in your opinion and again if you open a set girls don’t know who you are interested you are just keeping them guessing meaning they have to discover, and then again with and indirect opener you can open a set more easy, and engaging the whole group,

While if you go direct(which works), you are automatically trying to isolate the girl, and killing the friends, who sometimes are the ones that make all the difference being approve by the friend goes a long way.
My opinion is indirect on a set direct on a single girl

Indirect openers have the power of concealing interest. While you open a girl indirectly she doesn't get the very familiar feeling "Oh,another one hitting on me". Most men don't know how to pickup. They suck at it and hence establish a stereotype. I mean , think about it. How many men study The Game in comparison to the rest ? 3 or 4 out of 5 men will usually hit on a women and make her feel very uncomfortable while doing it.


So , if you open indirectly you DON'T make her feel threatened or uncomfortable in any way so you get a good headstart towards building attraction and comfort.

Direct openers work too , obviously. I do however dare to say they are kind of dependent on things such as looks and so on. What I'm trying to say here is that indirect openers , in my opinion at least , are the safe card.

Cant agree with what you said.

Do you really believe girls dont know you are hitting on them? You are in the club and guy aproach 4 hbs, to make a question if you believe in ghost, or any other crap. Believe me girls know... the difference is that is diferent of what they are used to so they indulge in it, and its hard for them to reject because you are not blatanly telling them.

Directs openers work too... but its not only looks. Ever seen Sasha and Ryan Oceros... dont want to offend anyone but they are not models type, but there game, body language, and confidence, gives more then looks. but if you go on youtube you can watch it, and see it for yourself.

It's not always about hitting on them. I sometimes use indirect openers just to practice and have a good time while talking to girls even if I have no particular interest of # / * closing.

What Im trying to say is that not every man - woman conversation resembles the man hitting on the woman. It's all about getting her to be interested in you before she gets the feeling that you're interested in her too.

Exactly no particularly interest... Which means what you will convey will be very different if you open a set that interest you in any way.

Think if you talk to a girl you have no particular desire, things will flow well. Your body language will be better the way you talk, why no reason to even have AA, or being nervous. Do you get nervous talking to guys?

Do you think I have any AA or nervous by opening a set that I cleary don’t have interest no? Do you?

That's not my point.I'm not gonna try to explain it again because we're going off topic.


I explained what's the idea behind indirect openers. They are safer because they won't threaten the target.In my opinion they are more 'flexible'. It's easier to work with them and more eficient. Anyway , what works for me might not work for you. I'm not saying indirects are BETTER than directs , Im just saying they're better for ME.

Neither do I said any of the openers was better, I agreed with you on the main concept only few things I thought you were wrong, and had to clarify, didn’t mean I was right or wrong but is discussing, that we can reach somewhere.

I don't understand opinion openers at all tbh and I feel like writing a rant on the subject of opinion openers. Why would I be interested in some random girl's (or set's) opinion on something? They could be any kind of people. I don't want any kind of person's opinion. If I'm looking for feedback on something in the first place, I want cool people's opinions. People who are equal to or better than me.

Maybe if I've known someone for 6 months I'll ask for their opinion on something, and then I must really like and respect them a lot.

Oh wait, this is how most people do it, right? Hm. You know what, it seems to me that if you are using opinion openers you are either: insincere about wanting their opinion i.e. they may give their opinion but you will forget in 5 minutes. This is not good for you or for those you deal with (if they don't notice). You know, if one is charming enough one can get away with saying anything, including opinion openers, but honestly...there isn't a single decent (i.e. not insecure etc) girl in the world who is going to think you care about her opinion despite you not knowing her for more than 5 seconds.

The other possibility is you're horribly insecure and you actually care about some random stranger's opinion about your life/situation/whatever. In that case, seek help.

If I'm in a set that's being opened with an opinion opener whoever is doing the opener best hope I'm not paying attention (i.e. horribly drunk) because if there's anything I think that is lame is asking for a stranger's opinion unless you're being paid to do it.

To wrap it up, not only are you a tool for using it, I don't think the high-value material really responds well to this kind of thing for all the reasons above. It communicates either a lack of confidence or a lack of sincerity (or most likely both).

I don't think you read the post mate. Opinion openers only serve one purpose, to get you into set with a girl and appear non threatening.

At the end of the day you don't really care about there opinion, you only care about getting them talking to you, this way you give yourself a chance to convey your personality to a girl by the way you talk and communicate non verbally.

Your solidly focused on the girls opinion aspect not the opening aspect.

What I want to know is what's behind mechanics of indirect openers why girls will give you a small opportunity to talk if you show that your non-threatening and interested in what they have to say.

I appreciate your response but you missed what I was really asking.... why do they work not if they work.

I read your post. So if I ask you why 1+1 = 3 you are going to try to explain to me why that is true even if it's obviously not? Just because you started the thread doesn't mean you get to dictate its contents

So you're right about the opinion/opening thing. Let me say something on opening. If you start with an opinion opener the target will always know (unless she is stupid/naive/etc) you're saying something premeditated. Something you could've said to anybody and if you're very unlucky, something someone has asked her before. Not to mention you will be unchallenging. What is essential is to create interesting experiences with (for) people and there is simply nothing interesting nor challenging about whether your friend's shirt looks gay (or whatever subject unless it very explicitly involves you doing her). Opening isn't the hard nor important part anyway, if you're even remotely decent-looking and don't come across as nervous almost any opener is going to get you in for at least a minute with almost any target(s). But if you want to usefully apply the opening for something it should be to project value and confidence (i.e. standing out from the crowd). Does some lame random question do this for you?

To answer your question, they will engage in a polite conversation for a few minutes because they don't want to come across as impolite bitches to the people they actually care about. Because, after all, you are non-threatening and you're not doing anything "wrong" so they can't very well just tell you to F-off. But will those five minutes get you where you want to go?

Are you saying that an opinion opener emits value and confidence and above all are you seriously claiming that "appearing non-threatening" (read: non-challenging, friendly) is going to be a benefit to the rest of your interaction?

As a final thought, take into account the matter of congruency. One of the things I consider most important in general, not just pick-up. If there is anything I don't tolerate it's incongruency and I am not the only one who finds it bothersome. If you speak and act like you are type X (just a placeholder variable, it can mean any type), you better stick with it unless you experience some major character development. If you suddenly change your values to one of person Y that's incongruent. In other words, if you have a five minute long conversation with a girl and then you suddenly change the vibe to sexual you will be incongruent and it will be much much harder to get away with it than when you start off the right way. Of course, if you plan to take your opinion opener over several months, befriend the girl and then slowly work your way into her heart then that's a different story (i.e. character development) but for a short encounter...opinion openers don't project any of the things you should be projecting and are the lose.

In conclusion, any opener will get you laid if you are handsome, confident and rich. If you're lacking in one of these areas, it's best to focus on an opener that will fake it till you make it.

opinion openers makes the chances of getting blown out a lot less, but in return, it makes closing harder. Which is why I dropped opinion openers.

My goal is to pull, and when pulling, you don't have time to waste on stupid sets. So I go social direct, screen logistics, number close or go for pull depending on logistic. Good thing about social direct is there is no routines, you just have to be in the moment. BTW, blow out rates is a lot higher, but closing rate makes up for it.