I get why your pissed off, but look at it from the girl side of things. They get guys who just want to get in their pants and because of that they get guys playing them and what have you. And because of that they get more guarded and what have you and become "stuck up". I mean can you blame them?

This is false. I've sent messages to 40+ women, EVERY one of which I mentioned something from their profile. Common interest, something they do that I'd like to know more about, whatever.

I've gotten a total of ONE response. And that one still hasn't replied to the 2nd message I sent her a couple days ago.

The site is full of cunts. Plain and simple. I'm going to get some more and better pictures up, probably over the weekend, but I doubt it will make a difference.

Online dating is all about pictures for the most part.

As you said, the site is full of picky cunts who think they're going to find their white horse prince charming out of nowhere. Around my area, the same girls have been logging on daily (some weekly) for years.. and yet.. hrm still single. I can't imagine why?

Totally agree... Your pics are the single most important thing your profile consists of.

As long as your pics still vaguely ressemble you, cheat like hell if you're not that good looking: photoshop them; use blurry pics of you doing exciting activities ; concentrate on your best features (for instance, put a pic of your six-pack if you have one and leave out your face)... etc

Once you meet the girl (or chat to her on webcam), your looks will matter far less than your demeanour, body language, charm and confidence.

A bit of cheating with your pics is ok (but make sure you are still recognisable so you couldn't be called out on them!)

Guys in this thread who are bitching, should post links in this thread to their profile, so that other readers can give helpful individual feedback, on how to improve it, but most dudes here should realise you should only be using online dating as an occasional, part time supplement to how you socialise, not as the only way you meet women.

Everyone should still be doing 3 dimensional, in person day game and night game approaches (alone and/or with a wingman), in addition to regularly working out and going to the gym. If and when you go out to do night game, bring a pocket camera with you, to take photos of you with others. Don't just take night time pics with a smart phone.

The main advantage of online, is it helps one cast a wider net, in terms of meeting females in and around your city, that you'd never get to meet, even if you did day and night game 18 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Look, I am not going to go on POF and get degraded by these stuck up retarded women. After reading the many ppl's posts I have learned that I am not alone. I am tall, ripped, dark and handsome. Most girls should, at a minimum respond and say, hey wats up. I have sent over 400 messages to girls many of whom I don't even find attractive just to say wats up and got 1 response back. Now that is some hurting odds. WTF, is wrong with these women, I think there are way too many hurting men on that site, causing severe inflation for these broads. Yet in the summer time they whistle and stuff at the beach and stare when I hang out with my boys. Retarded broads. Also a Blond 6-4 guy will also have a crappy time on POF. And no it should not matter what I say. I ain't applying for a job here, just sayin wats up and wanting to chat. That site is a huge ego boost to broads and a huge ego crusher for men. Ugly broads who I would not do with your &*^% even have huge attitudes let a lone the hot ones.

You've got it all wrong. Pictures are important, but not in the way you think. Women aren't interested in the pictures for your looks, they are interested in your pictures for the stories they tell about you.

Your messages have to be interesting and stand out. These girls are getting hundreds of messages per week, and they don't have time to read them all. They are only going to read the ones that catch their attention.

If you think you're good looking, but you're still having a tough time with women, then you're attitude is probably a big reason why. It's pretty sad that you don't think what you say should matter.

your online game sucks.

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All things considered, there probably is some value in just saying, "Fuck this, I'm not putting myself through this kind of abuse by retarded, unrealistically stuck up bitches who're ridiculous compared to even the hottest girls I meet in person."

We've got a lot of stories corroborating each others', guys... It seems like the verdict pretty much is back in on online dating.

I for one am definiely making moves to just phase it out and try some more in-field stuff.

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I think the reason why so many guys get upset with online gaming is that for the most part they game it like they do in real life and unfortunately you can't. origami23 post is a prime example of this. He is use to getting interest and attraction from girls just based upon looks. He thinks it be the same online and he falls flat quickly as he fails to realize the two are different. There are similarities, but there are loads of differences as well.

It is possible to get chicks on pof. At least this thread makes me feel more confident...


When I first started I got replies.... sometimes I go through a dry spell.. tho. I'm not even very good looking?!? I guess luck beats looks.

One thing I would say, is asking a girl any of the following is a big no-no, purely because 90% of guys will ask the same sort of questions.. and if you aren't standing out, you aren't getting replies:

"how are you?"
"what do you do at college/university?"
"what's a girl like you doing on here?"

I also cringe when I see my mates saying to girls stuff like "thought i'd give you a message because you see really down to earth from what you've written on your profile"... especially when they've only written 2 lines on their profile! Lets be honest, the girl knows it's complete bullshit and you're only messaging her cause of her looks.

I think applying a C+F persona from the first message makes you stand out, makes you unique, and most importantly makes you get replies.

The other thing i'd say is do NOT put "hi" or "hello" as the subject, as girls get loads of messages, the first ones they're going to read are the ones with the subject's that are slightly obtuse and therefore stand out from the rest. If she reads your message then you're onto a winner from the off.

Okay, i've just made myself sound like I think i'm a love expert, I don't, and i'm not, but some people really do fail when it comes to common sense in my opinion.

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Sorry, but there is zero value in that. What you are doing is failing, quitting, and deflecting the blame. That is the attitude of someone who is insecure and can't handle rejection or failure properly.

There is far more value in saying "I'm not getting the type of responses that I'd like to get. What can I change or do better in order to get my desired results?"

You have limited time and energy in this life.

Few things could make more sense than to figure out where you're getting the most return for your time and energy.

It's not attitude, its just plain common-sense.

5 cold approaches and 1 interested girl leading to a date....

....500 individually-tailored and high quality written messages and zero responses.

Hmmm, you be the judge.

But hey, if you'd really rather spend weeks in front if a computer, tweaking and changing up messages hoping to get a better response rate, aching for approval, all the while being treated like an ugly social outcast by ungrateful little princesses, be my guest.

Me, I'd much rather spend my time on something that's useful now, and involves real human contact, rather than set myself up for useless, mass-rejection by even homely-looking, slightly overweight girls. I'd imagine most people here would rather go with the first option.

But to each his own, I suppose...

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Again, your response equates to: I tried, I failed, I quit.

I stand by what I said before, and you confirmed it by mentioning rejection several times in your rebuttal. You are afraid of rejection and obviously take it hard, even from girls who are nothing more than a picture and some text. You can't handle it, so you get mad at the girls and call them "ungrateful little princesses," because obviously it couldn't be because of anything YOU did wrong, so it must be the girls. Right?