khuram is right, there aren't really any rules, it's about calibration. But at the same time you shouldn't waste too much time judging the situation trying to open the perfect way, just go in and do it. Seriously, my point is simply there are no rules and girls are 1% as judgmental as many guys think.

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"You get the first round, I'll get the second round."

This does two things, it makes them realize you ain't some lap dog to be used for free drinks, and on the other end it makes them stick around longer for a longer conversation(they need their free drink). In this case they are trying to use you for a drink most of the time. If there is a genuine attraction and she isn't using you(with some studying up on body language you will understand), then you can buy a drink without much issue.

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As khumar says CALIBRATION, actually i have wrote many times on how i lost a girl that was into me, making out, wanted to sleep with me, and i refuse to buy her a drink, and went into pua mode, instead of looking like a pua i came across as a loser dead beat... If you are good looking, comfortable with yourself and with a lot of dress style like you say you are, you pretty much can get away with anything, i have a wing that is like you say you are in the third paragraph, he does not have tight game or anything, in some cases he has more success than me, and he does not have to work as hard, he holds his beer up, he parks on a corner in a club, he buys girls drinks, everything you are not suppose to do, but when he buys the girls drinks, THERE IS ALREADY ATTRACTION, the point of the community with not buying drinks is before attraction, it comes across as manipulation in the women part, the logic is the guy is not good enough, that he needs to buy girl a drink for the girl to like him, be attracted to him, which is AFC, and the women will detect that and probably not hook up with the guy, makes sense????

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I just wanted to give my two cents on these comments: (secretly wants to winge about aussie men)

^^I am appuled constantly at the calibar of young australian men.......the rich the poor the intelligent and the dumb...............90% have No idea what wemon want.....The biggest thing i hear about off my male friends and the guys I meet is their fear of dick size and their pay check in relation to attracting females....

!!!! Like we care about that (thats like 2% of the big picture we're looking at)!!!!!

Please help all the Aussie men you can.......

..It's DHV to me.....It shows that your not cheap...along with several other HV aspects......

.....opening with 'can i buy you a drink' however, i think is DLV.......
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I have never asked a guy to buy me a drink...(unless its an old friend and i have a good reason for not being able to buy my own) That smell reeks of NEEDIE!!

From an unimpressed Aussie female!!![/quote]

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If I met the girl that night and we're not on a date or anything like that, I'd ask something like "What makes you think you deserve a drink?"

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I don't buy girls drinks unless we've agreed beforehand I'm a) taking them out OR b) I know them. I used to buy strangers drinks, but now I don't. It's not that they're unworthy of the drink necessarily, but I wouldn't buy a stranger appetizers or anything else. Why would I buy them a drink?

Here's a question: why doesn't she buy me a drink? Because I'm the gentleman and she's the lady? Look around you. What defines a lady these days? Because all I see are girls who swear as much as men do and grind on the dance floor, who have no idea that texting someone in the middle of a conversation is impolite. It's not the 1950's anymore.

Maybe that's being a dick, but I think being a lady requires more than just BEING there and contemplating whether to put out at the end of the night.

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Would I buy a random dude a drink? Umm no. Would I buy a buddy a drink, yes.

I will only offer to get a girl a drink after I'm enjoying myself and I want to get a drink aswell. I'm not cheap, it just doesn't make sense to me to buy a stranger something. I treat men and women the same to an extent. Unless I am in a relationship obviously.

EDIT: Sounded gay^

And the underlining point, paying for stuff is fine and OP is correct if you are not trying to buy affection.

Other reason why offering a drink before talking to her doesn't work: she doesn't know yet whether 15 minutes with you are going to be fun. If she's polite, she'll sit through it but honestly my time is way more important than a free drink. So I'd always say no so I can quit the conversation. I believe that sharing stuff (drinks, smokes, lighter) is slightly bonding and drinks are cheap enough not to be DLV.

Everything you guys have said is true for you. And I used to follow such rules myself. But I just don't give a shit about a bit of cash, and more to the point, I don't think that these "RULES" of pickup mean shit all. Every rule of pickup I've learned is true, sometimes, and bullshit sometimes. People take them way to seriously.

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just saying if you can pickup 5/5 you are probably extremely goodlooking, and also socially calibrated, the point is, lots of guys do get blown off when buying a drink, and chances are if you don't, you would not have been blown off to begin with, buying a girl a drink after getting to know her or on a date, can be a classy move, but it will not effect if she likes you or not, that will be entirely based on you, you can not buy attraction (unless dealing with gold diggers)

I agree with most of what you've said there, but at the same time, appearing to be well off and comfortable with yourself and your finances can help, and it can't hurt. Some guys might get ditched and just be out $10, but if played right, it can help, only a little obviously, but a little help is help all the same.

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