I have an on-going problem that is starting to get annoying. On a night out, I am reasonably good/confident at approaching and holding a conversation with a girl, but I‘m absolutely awful at kiss closing. Put simply, my ratio of “girls spoken to” to “kiss closes” is terrible. An extreme example of this was the other night, where I must have spoken to and conversed with - during the course of the whole night - at least 8 different girls but come away with ZERO kiss closes. This includes talking to the classier kind of girls in a nice bar and the less classy (easier lol) girls in a late night club.

When it really hit home the other night with how bad I was, was when I was in this late night club (not the nicest of places lol) at 4 in the morning. At this time everyone is pretty much wasted and the girl’s don’t have their bitch shields up. I was speaking to this girl (who said she had a bf) but she was very close to me, was allowing me to hold her while we were talking and was even letting me feel her ass. However, I just couldn’t think of anything to say or do to kiss close. I gave her a quick kiss on the lips when she gave me a compliment but that was it. Eventually the conversation died down and she went off with her friends.

I feel embarrassed with myself that I didn’t kiss close this girl. To make matters worse, I saw this same girl making out with another guy later on in the night. This just shows she was clearly up for it and how shocking my performance was.

I am aware of Mystery’s kiss close method (would you like to kiss me etc) but there are some occasions (like my last example) when talking to a girl where it just doesn’t seem appropriate or like it would work. Obviously I would follow a different approach when in a more sophisticated kind of bar/club and Mystery’s kiss close method does seem more applicable to those scenarios.

What should I have done/said in order to kiss close (and hopefully more) that girl in the late night club?

Additionally, any help/routines regarding kiss closing in a club/bar in general would also be greatly appreciated.

dude, when a gal is totally up for it u dun have to say anything, all u have to do is to hold strong eye contact and try to build up the sexualtension , also esculate her, at the point which u can hold her hand and walk her to some where else, just say ''i like u'' and kiss her....just go in for it, that all u needa do.

^disregard this don't tell her you like her. Remember cat string theory is she knows you like her she won't want you. Act like you don't want her- she disgusts you. That'll make her claw at you for more.

I think you'd need to look at it from a whole different angle. Let's say there are 2 methods for opening:

1) machine gun method - opening any random girl you find attractive.

2) sniper method - opening the girls who most probably find YOU attractive (who keep staring / looking at you etc)

Now the machine gun method produces terrible ratios but is can work. But I would suggest you to try out the sniper method. This gives you much better responses, more IOIs, easier escalation, and outstanding success ratios. The only downside is that even a goodooking guy could end up finding no more than 4-5 girls totally SPAM signals (without any opening) in the whole club.

Also the success ratio with any method significantly starts to decrease after 1am.

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You don't want it to feel like the kiss is a big step, it should come naturally. Kino escalation is the key here, it doesn't need to take long either. Read this for tips.


http://www.vindicarlo.com/DiCarlo%20Esc ... lo.com.pdf

^disregard this, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, and this is a great way to never get laid. Ever.


There's nothing special you need to say or do. Get close to her while you speak to her. If she doesn't move back and she's comfortable with your faces close go for the kiss.

If she moves her head back, don't. If she just turns her cheek when you kiss her, it's not a rejection. Grab her face, turn her around and kiss her properly. Imagine if it was a gay guy trying to kiss you, you wouldn't turn your cheek, you'd move your head back right? That's how you tell the difference between her not being interested or just playing hard to get.

That's all you really need to know about kissing. You just have to grow some balls and go for it when you want.

Thanks for all the replies. This one is particularly good. I like your reasoning about her turning her cheek.

I suppose at the end of the day I just need to man up and go for it. Even if at first it doesn’t work at least then I can calibrate my approach for success in the future, rather than keep on doing what I’m doing now and failing.

Yeah the best thing to do when it fails is nothing at all. Don't make a joke out of it, don't laugh about it, don't get mad... By being confident enough to make the move she will be more attracted to you even if she resists. If you react badly to her resistance though you will seem needy, and that will turn her off. If you don't react badly to it and you try again later on you're likely to succeed. She can say that she resisted you, and that you were just persistant so she gave in. Calm persistance and the balls to escalate are very attractive.