any tips?

good idea?

i would try the hired gun routine in the game I havent field tested it but i liked the principles behind it

haha, its funny you asked that, I [almost] number closed a HB7 who was working like 20 minutes ago at boston market of all places. I say almost because one of the workers c-blocked me (she was on her break and talking to me, and one of the workers asked her to cover for her right as I was about to N-close). I was getting IOI's like crazy! She fixed her clothes and hair so many times in front of me it was pathetic haha.

Anyway, it's pretty easy, i think. Just neg them on there dorky outfit. talk for a bit, DHV, and pull out your pen and pad and hand it to her. What I did was call her over, put my cup in the air and said "refill," she giggled and said "haha, I'm on break." then I was like "ima have to tell your boss." just tease her a lot.

how do you separate actual real interest from salesperson bullshit? (where they are just trying to sell you something)

Always assume interest.

Until she tells you otherwise.

That basically means nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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Ask and you shall receive.

Great idea.

It's a numbers game.

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sometimes I will have 3 or 4 sales girls on my dick the second I walk into the store (IE 20+ people in the store and 4 of the 5 sales girls are trying to talk to me "help me")

then my insecurities pop up and tell me they're just trying to sell me shit

Yeah they're trying to talk to you alright. They're trying to get naked, and you're not helping them.

Ask one of them what she's doing later..

Doesn't matter what she says (unless she says nothing, then you tell her you'll pick her up at closing time, n-close, etc..).

Next time you walk in you'll get IOI's from all the interested chicks.

Remember move it in the direction you want it to go. That means being somewhat discreet (management's often your competition and a bunch of a-holes), don't make a scene and get them out of the store as quickly as possible.

Listen bro, you got it backwards. Your insecurities is what causes girls not to like you, not the other way around. You're never wrong showing interest in a girl. It's expected.

A lot of guys feel guilty if they show what they think is too interest in a girl. That's your bad programming talking to you. Toxic shame. You don't have to be ashamed of your feelings or role as a man as long as you're behavior is appropriate, and you can take a hint.

Occasionally you'll run into the twisted sister that wants to equate you with some kind of farm animal for showing interest in women, or wants to project her personal problem onto you. That's her problem, not yours. Tell her to have a nice day, then forget about her.. Forever.

How do I know? Day game is one of my specialties.

Now, get out there and give 'em hell. And make sure you stay out of my stores..

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I don't have a lot to add to the great advice you've already been given. However, I will tell you that Hired guns are often easier targets to talk to to and close with. Waitresses and Bartenders will probably be the most difficult due to the amount of montards that hit on them everyday.

Waitresses and Bartenders ARE hired guns.

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Recommended reading list.

Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

What is the hired gun routine???

I read Mystery Method- The Venusian Arts Handbook, but he doesn't talk about it in there, I seen the show when they pickup on strippers and they act like they are not interested in them and what they are offering but can anyone share a lil more about the routine, I did a search and couldn't find a thread on it, thanks...

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-RISK- "Only those who will risk going far can find out how far one can go"

You have to look for unconcious IOI's. Like for instance, after I negged the girl I was talking to, she touched her hair twice to fix it, and then adjusted her top. She also started nervously fumbling on her words, when with the other customers, she was cocky because she knew she was hot. Basically, look for the IOI's that she's unaware of. If she smiles a lot to you, that may not be genuine because thats what shes SUPPOSED to do.

Same as any other venue..

Just don't act like a customer. Most customers are held in great contempt by those in the business, as losers, morons, fat wallets, etc..

Act like an insider. Eye contact, attraction, rapport, etc.. I used to work strip clubs with my wing and by myself, never with a group of guys. Especially those that just didn't get it. Get her to sit with you. Talk about what she does outside the business.

Like you said, make them work for your attention, this draws them into your frame. And try to get her out of the club or in the VIP room as soon as possible. As long as she's in the club it's her job to perform.

If you're young, forget about it.

Be very judicious with your tips. Definitely tip strippers (dollars only) and waitresses. Make friends with the guys hangin' around the periphery (the bouncers). And scope the place out a little before you dive in. Some of these places can be real dives, etc.. and aren't worth the trouble. You're also being watched closely. So, don't get drunk it effects your judgment.

If you're looking for a cheap ride and your an outsider, strip clubs aren't the answer. Takes a little money to play. And remember, alot of these girls are pure tee trouble, young, dense, immature, etc.., especially in the south.. Know when to eject.

And never, I mean never let her talk you into doing something stupid. Know what I mean?

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I typcially lump ANYONE working somewhere, be it bars or clothing stores as a Hired gun.

so is it a good idea to try to pick up these girls or no?