In the past i've f-closed 2 girls from POF, and n-closed about 6 (ranging from HB5-HB7), so I usually have an okay time on there, however, i've been messaging this HB9 and i'm struggling.. I dunno whether it's cause I mentally find her harder to message, or whether cause she receives so many messages she's harder to talk to... or both.

Basically, she had a photo of her in some kinky play-boxing outfit, and I made a comment about how messy her bed was and completely ignored how fuckable she looked, and she seemed stunned that I didn't mention anything about her, like others do, so I think i'm ahead a little bit.

We've sent about 25 messages each to each other.. but just now, I tried to n-close her, and she said 'sorry i have no credit, and besides, I don't give my number out to strangers "

Now i've been playing a C+F, push-pull game on her, so I think she's partly getting me back for that.. but I really don't know what to do now? I know it'll fizzle away if I leave it too long.. but I reaaaally need to move things on... any ideas!?!

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Behind the lady who dances and the man who madly drinks, i'll show you the truth about love.

Move on to the next girl. You set 15 to many messages to this girl. You should be closing girls ideally withing 10 messages but at least within 15. If you have not closed them within 15 messages move on to the next girl.

25 Messages! That's way too many. I get the number in 5 or less or I'm out and on to the next. She's just wasting your time. There's plenty more out there.

If she genuinely has no credit though, and does want to carry on the conversation, surely sending more than 5-10 messages isn't as bad as people make out sometimes?

I reason i'm not too keen on "moving on" is because (IF she is legit) then she's the fittest girl i've spoken to on there by a mile.

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Behind the lady who dances and the man who madly drinks, i'll show you the truth about love.

Think I'll tell you something different here.

If you think she is worth the time and effort, you go ahead and do that.

Her "I don't give my number out to strangers" doesn't shut the door, it just translates to a lack of comfort level and basic rapport between you two. So, why don't you focus on building that?

Once you have built the requisite amount of comfort and attraction between you both, she will never ever refuse to your overtures.

Good luck.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

My patented pof number close technique is as follows...

Within the first few messages I say "this pof iPhone app is pretty cool!! Every time you send me a message it pops up just like a text lol"

This plants in her head that she is basically already texting me!

After a few more messages and when rapport and comfort is at a high I will say "this app actually isn't that good lol!! It crashes my phone every time I reply to you!! Here's my number.............you can reply to my phone, its going to be easier for me"


This has yet to fail me.

The no credit thing is bull, as you don't need it to have a phone. As far as sending more than 10 messages goes, it is as bad as people are making it out to be. The more you send the less likely the girl will want to see you. With online game its not meant to be dragged out, its suppose to be quick and swift.

Thanks everyone for your input.

She messaged me first yesterday saying 'oi you, why did you ignore me on chat earlier!?', so she's obviously keen to carry on talking.. i'm going to focus on building the rapport.
Regarding the highlighted bit, I think this is the case in general, yeah, but I think with some girls this theory is a little off.. some seem quite reluctant to pass on personal info to someone online, which I think is understandable.

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Which is why I said you want to get the number within 15 messages, but ideally within 10 messages. I think you will find the chances of a girl being reluctant giving her number to you is pretty much slim to none, especially when you game her well.

It's risky, but I would reply to her question about ignoring her chat by saying, "You don't seem very interested and there are other girls vying for my time..."

Put her on the spot. If she's not interested, cut her loose. 1) It's a numbers game. 2) There are 3.5 billion other females on this earth, this one isn't THAT special...