so looks wise I would say I am easily an 8.5 - 9. Once I drop about 15 - 20 more pounds (where I would be 200 pounds ripped at 7% body fat), I should be close to a 9.5. I have considered modeling but decided against it (these are average joe ratings, compared to average joe, I am extremely good looking, compared to supermodels I am okay maybe a 6)

it seems like most girls I talk to are interested and are flirting with me without me doing much or saying a whole lot.

so should I even bother with this PUA stuff (when it comes to outer game) ?

the reason I am making this thread is because I used to be chubby and I didn't talk to girls because I was afraid and had low confidence. and I am kinda shy as well with girls. Recently though, I have become pretty damn good looking and have done the bodybuilding thing as well.

I have had a few girls but that was all luck so I am planning to just go up to girls and by myself and hopefully get a lot of pussy

Sure, looks are great, but what's the point if you don't know what to say, or know how to make her want you for more than just your body? Do you want to just be able to get girls looking for a pretty boy, or do you want to be able to attract any girl and use your looks as an extra advantage?

If you answered that you actually want to take things somewhere and not just have them get bored with you after finding out that you're just a pretty face, then yeah, learning pickup would help you. Its not just a matter of picking women up, its a matter of becoming the best you possible.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

well I mean I have an interesting personality, I have a lot of real ambitions. I am very intelligent, I have a lot of friends. I go out often, etc...

I am still somewhat timid/shy around girls though but that should go away soon

thank god for my looks though, without it I would never be able to get girls attracted to me.

What are ya gonna do when someone like rye lee or l a tripp shows up and decides he likes your girl tho? lol. I find good looks only help you open a little easier is about all.

At the very least, Outer game will help you develop you inner game. You will probably benefit greatly from Outer game on it's own though.

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Recommended reading list.

Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

Looks are great, but relying on just your looks is taking the easy way out... Just because you look appealing to a girl will not make her apt to jump into bed with you...its true having good looks can decrease the amount of effort involved and will help you check the eye of more HBs... no matter what you read or what others tell you looks matter....

BUT... what a woman does not learn from your looks is your personality, your character, and your overall attitude toward life. You see as I am sure you have learned the overall objective when meeting new girls is to show them a good time, make them understand that passing on you is the worst decision they can make.. WHY? becuase you are the party, you are the most interesting male in the room and you can give her the experience she is desperately asking for...


So yes your looks may be better than 85 percent of the other males in the room, but if you are just posting up on the walll in a B boy pose not interacting and waiting for something to happen... you will occasionally get a bite, but if you practice your outer game AND specifically in your case overcome your approach anxiety (shyness) I gaurantee you will see a big difference in the amount of girls that not only look your way, but beg you to approach them by the signals they are giving off and you ahve been missing due to the lack of your outer game...

If you have questions hit me up..ill elaborate

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add me on myspace www.myspace.com/jshurgs

You really need to post more Shurgs. You always make good posts.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

I have a buddy that's ugly ass hell (his name is Richard) and I known him since Jr High School, we are 30 yrs old now and let me tell you, this guy had all the hot babes, from Jr high till now (well now he's married but when he was single), it was just the way he talked (smooth) and he's funny as hell. I always asked him how do you do it and he just said to me, you gotta have game, that's all, and the more I realise it, it was just that he was a MPUA naturale, he would aproach every good looking woman he seen and starting talkin to them, so just keep on studying this site and learn jokes and stuff like that, good luck.

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-RISK- "Only those who will risk going far can find out how far one can go"

anybody who says women don't care about looks... it's bullshit

I go inside of a store in the mall with 30 people in it, yet I have 3 of the 4 females sales girls trying to talk to me at the same time... LOL

not to mention when I start flirting with girls, the overwhelming majority are interested without me needing to do any actual work ...

Sounds to me like you asked a question without wanting to hear an answer to it.

nothing<looks<game

thats about how I'd draw up the flow chart

no I see what you guys are saying

I just gotta get more comfortable and more outgoing with girls, my natural social skills are pretty damn good. A lot of this PUA stuff I do naturally with my friends (push-pull, making fun, teasing, etc...)

yeah u do that with friends, now just do that push-pull, making fun, teasing with girls u don't know. it gets easiesr the more u do it. i have a lot of girls eyeing me when i go out but if i dont make any kind of move and show them what kind of guy i am then they'll just think im just another cute guy.

like everyone said already u have to show them who u r. ur focused too much on looks and expect it to help u out but in reality u'll just end up settling with girls that u got from ur looks and passing up the ones u want because u haven't worked on ur outer game. yeah good looks help but confidence and a fun personality are what attracts girls cuz we have all seen the ugly dude with game having the dime piece and the pretty boy with the average looking HB6.5.

Assuming the 15 lbs you drop is all fat, you're at 215lbs right now, and if getting to 200lbs. lowers your BF to 7% then a quick calculation shows that you will then have 14 lbs of fat by then. Which means right now, you have 15+14=29 lbs. of fat which translates to approximately a 13.5% BF on your 215lb frame.

This is enough to show good definition of the pecs and arms/legs usually, which is what women usually notice at first glance. For abs you need only go to about 9% BF, varying +/- 1% depending on the person.

Basically, your physique gives you a huge advantage on initial impressions. Don't go crazy on the form fitting T-Shirts though, it could scream gay.

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God is this modesty or what!

It is proven: looks aren't everything, not only that, its barely 10% of everything. And that is a proper quote.

Girls can or cannot approach guys because they're good looking, but if you don't show them shit, then there emotions towards you (the real deal) will be shit and therefore no pussy for you.

If you approach them, prove to them you are not like every other guy that comes along and asks "how you doing", bring up a story or two, make yourself the centre of attention, cause that will make you superior to all them like crazy, which leads to her liking you.

Emotions my friend, not love, but trust, laughter, connection. That's what counts. Good looks just make her (sometimes) come to you, but then you gotta prove yourself like everybody else.

hell yea I love my physique. It gives me such a dominating/powerful presence around people