There's a difference between building mass and being rather obsessive like Arnold, and being toned and proportional and having time for the ladies. This is a pick up artist forum, not one devoted to body building.
Ridiculous.

Calories in, calories out. End of equation..
Yes.. My BMI is about 25. I've found anything less to be too lean for my frame, from a symmetrical perspective. The ladies seem to agree.

You're free to gather whatever conclusions you can from looking at my avatar.
Peanut butter is a good protein source as are other nuts..
As far as counting calories, yes.. In a perfect world, we'd all eat perfect foods. This isn't a perfect world and there are no perfect foods.
No problem, everybody has the right to their own opinion, and course of action to achieve their goals.. Ever heard of the K.I.S.S. philosophy?

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For sure bro. Simplicity for 99.9% of the population is deffinatly key (the .1% extra being competitve bodybuilders haha)
True, but you still need mass. You wont need to use AAS, and it wont take you nearly as long, and you can be much more slacked in your approach, but the same rules still apply. Being toned is just having a low bodyfat with some muscle mass. The rules are the same: big compound lifts, progressive overload, nutrition oriented to one`s goals.
At face value this true. However, where your calories come from, timing, etc, will have a huge effect on the body. If I started eating in a defecit, and sourced all my cals from beer and cheese, I would lose MASSIVE ammounts of lean mass, and not a whole lot of fat. However, if I took in the same # of cals, but through sweet potatoes, chicken breast, and walnuts, I would likely hold on to a lot of my mass.

Aside from that, different nutrients will have different effects on, among other things, hormone production. Many of these hormones will regulate your metabolism.
Peanut butter is a source of protein, but I don't think it's a good one. It is an excellent food, and I wouldn't encourage anyone to not eat it (well, maybe if you have a nut allergy ).However, as a strictly protein source, it's not the greatest. It's a calorie-dense food, without a high protein content. Good sources of protein would be whey, casein, eggs, meats, fish, cottage cheese, etc




I await your reply,
Keenan

p.s. you are looking fairly big in your pic I`ll give you that

It's nice to have time to do things other than obsess about ones diet or exercise regimen.
I prefer body weight exercises. It's something I picked up while a U.S. Marine. Although, or course I do to a limited degree (curls, etc..) and have in the past incorporated weight training.
I was referring to a balanced diet.

Most people like to eat, and feel quite uncomfortable when they do not. Most people with an occupation simply don't have the time, etc.. to follow fad or other extreme diets. Nor is it necessarily healthy to do so. For most of human history it's been feast or famine.
Yeah, like I said everybody has a right to their opinion. Here's another one for your digestion.

http://bodybuilding.com/fun/other31.htm
I'm not that big, except what's hangin.

My chest is about a 44, my waist about a 36.. I'm 6'0, and about 185 lbs. I'm proportional. And I'm 46 y.o.

Years ago when I was in the best shape of my life and could run, climb, etc.. like a gazelle I was quite slender. It was certainly less visually appealing than what you see today. A large part of this has been cutting back on the manual labor type jobs, consuming a balanced diet, and of course age. My workout routine normally consists of push ups, pull ups, ab work and running/walking. Nothing extreme anymore.

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Not sure I understand this arguement? I was never advocating an extreme diet, or a fad diet. I'm completely against these. I was argueing for a balanced diet. My point was food choices are as much a part of diet as calories in v out. For example:
breakfast - omlette w/ some diced veg and cheese in it
2 hours later - protein bar, peanut butter sandwich, something like that
lunch - chicken sandwich, fruit, mixed nuts
dinner - steak and potatoes w/ steamed veg
before bed - glass of milk w/ mixed nuts

Seems very attainable even for a busy person, and much much healthier then the average person's diet.
That is true. And in response to this we developed a survival mechanism that causes us to hold onto everything we can when our body believes we'll be starving/we are starving.
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There's deffinatly huge merit to bodyweight exercises (clearly). However, there are deffinatley more efficient ways to develope chest/arms


2 quotes directly from the peanut butter article you posted: I love peanut butter, and use it almost daily (I've got a mean recipe for homemade protein bars involving pb), but as a protein source it's not great.




Anyways, I'm gonna hit the hay. I'll check back tomorow. G'night

Keenan

Anyone that wants to engage in elaborate meal planning is free to do so.. Call it whatever you wish.

I have a different approach.

In fact your meal plan outlined above is very easily converted into the one substantial meal a day plan. So what are we trying to disagree about again?
It's natural to add a few pounds in the fall as the weather cools, shed them as the weather warms in the spring..

Few people in the U.S. or other western countries have or will ever face starvation at any level.
It depends upon what you mean by develop. If you're referring to aesthetics and building bulk muscle only, I agree with you. One can also make an equal argument that heavy weight training leads to far more injury and lack of motion and muscle endurance than other forms of more natural training.

Here's a great example..

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=TjrjFV3Fit0[/youtube]
Interesting way you cut and paste your points while disregarding most of the rest.. Go back and read the article again.

You want a great protein source, eat a steak or a Wendy's double cheeseburger. You want to get protein from other sources you're going to have to compromise. Of course all protein does not a man make.

Of course you could eat Turkey or lean chicken only, take steroids, and pump iron 24/7.

Or move to the Philippines and eat rice, fish and fruit only. Your choice.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=qVFDom4FFVI[/youtube]

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Hey guys, I have quite a bit of experience with exercising and diet. If anyone need a workout plan and or diet plan, just ask. If demand is high enough.. I might just start a new thread specifically for plans.

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Let's just agree to disagree; I can't see either of us convincing the other of our points, and I don't wanna get too heated with a mod, I quite like it here

Looking forward to many future debates ,
Keenan

Mod doesn't have anything to do with it..

Why would you get heated?

You either know you know what you're talking about, or you don't.

Why would you need my approval?

This is sort of like debating which car is better, a Mustang or a Trans Am.. A good driver can drive the heck out of either.. It's simple enough to share your preference without all the extra curricular activities.

Everyone here is free to make up their own minds as to what is the best course of action for themselves.. After all, they are the ones that will ultimately have to live with it.

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i have some questions for you. i could use some help,

1. How do i make my forearms bigger?
2. do you reccomend suicide sets (reps of 10 while decreasing weights after reps)
3. are push-ups as good as bench-press?

-thanks

Alot of forearm exercisers on the market.. You can also do it with dumbbells or kettlebells.. Or if you lack funds, concrete blocks, bricks, etc..

Hold you arm at a 45 degree angle and alternate holding the dumbbell with your hand up, then down. Pulling the dumbbell back towards your body with your hand only working the top and bottom of your forearms..
Sure. They're time consuming and a lot of work putting on and taking off plates but a good workout nonetheless. You can also do descending reps with the same weight.. 10,8,6,2, etc..
Absolutely they are, but in a different way. Of course push ups are better for building muscle endurance, the bench better for building muscle bulk or strength.

Push ups also work more body parts, including the abs, etc..

Give you an example. I do over 300 push ups a week. My bodyweight is 185 lbs.. A push up works between 60-70% of your body weight per push up..

185 lbs. x 65% = 120.25

x 300 reps = 36,075 lbs. per week.

I do this all in about 18 minutes per week.

Do the math comparing it to the bench press and there is no comparison in time or max weight lifted. Not to mention the danger of the bench press, and often the need for a spot compared to the push up.

Until you've peaked doing push ups, I don't recommend going to the bench unless you have specific goals to achieve. Like body building, etc..

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Many people say the best routine your meals is the 6 meals a day, yet Starbuck has gotten great results with his one large meal a day routine.

So if both seem to work, why not just stick with your average breakfast, lunch and dinner?

Just because one person has good results because of his good genetics and how hard he works out doesn't mean he diets correctly. Eating 6 meals a day speeds up your metabolism and overall is far more healthy than eating one large meal(very bad) or breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Like I said, nothing wrong with 3 meals a day, 1 meal a day followed by snacks, or 6 meals a day within sensible calorie guidelines..

Although most people overeat on a 3 meal a day plan. Especially traditional meals. And most people don't have time to eat 6 times a day.

In fact the one meal a day plan is roughly based on 3 meals a day. Substituting two of the meals with small snack type low cal meals, rich in fresh vegetables, fruits, nuts, raisins, etc... This is similar to how humans have eaten for most of human history.

You pick your normal meal for the day, then eat two much smaller meals/snacks.. Followed by a multi-vitamin. Cutting out the soda (drink water instead), candy (eat grapes, fresh fruit, veges, nuts, etc..), etc..

Again, calories in, calories out..

You expend more calories than you take in, you lose weight. You take in more calories than you expend, you gain weight. You workout while taking in more calories you build muscle. You don't workout and take in more calories, you build fat deposits, etc..

You can achieve similar results by eating 6 smaller meals per day. But for most people such a regimen is unrealistic and somewhat difficult to follow.

If you find something that works for you, then by all means stick with it. There is no one size fits all solution for everyone.

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Hi,

I am Harsh from India here. I am inBrazil on an exchange right now and i have an oppurtunity to hit on tons of beautiful women everyday. Anyways i am quite shapeles... I wanna correct this aspect of my life asap...

I am 17, weigh 64 kilos i.e 141 lb. My height is 5 feet 5 inch..... My body fat is 165 percent which is not too much.

I used to be really fat before. Like 82 kilos and have lost this much weight in 6 months. I also got liposuction got around chest area to remove the unwanted fat.

Now the problem i face is, a lot of loose hanging skin at chest and also stomach. I dunt hav much of a lean muscle mass..

I will be at beach whole month in January. I have approximately 40 days. I cant expect a superb body, but can u put me to a routine which can help me attain a physique close to feeling good. Help me device such a schedule.. Thatll be great... Thnx

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Out to make a kill,

damn for a forum for guys who know a lot about women, i'm suprised with the little people know about gaining muscle.

slowplay's the only one i've read decent posts from IIRC.

But i digress, I'm a powerlifter, I don't really care what my physique looks like but i'm in decent shape, have a 6 pack when i need one, the 2 months of shower. other than that a kinda 2 pack gut but i don't care.

Girls from this side of the pond tend to like guys who work out but especially love big arms and big legs. By all means train to enhance your appearance, but I've always found doing it for women weird, but then again i'm more concerned with strength.

Good to see a lot of interest in weights etc anyways!

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