I'm new to this but eager to learn. I've only approached (long conversation) 2 girls since learning as I always felt like I hadn't learned enough to actually field test the techniques. The first one I started with the mindset of the teachings and things went smooth until I fucked it up by almost completely ignoring the stuff I should have done because of how much fun I was having with her attention. I was able to learn what I should do next time.

Today I was walking to the library to print 4 pages of notes and as soon as I walk in this alarm starts ringing and everyone has to evacuate the library because they felt like having a practice emergency.

So I'm standing around thinking about some stuff I learned about from The Game and because it's fucking boring and stupid to be waiting for who knows how long to print 4 pages I start looking around for the best looking girl to try this shit on. The best I see is a 6. So after I break the 3 second rule about 6 million times I sit down next to her on the bench all confident looking and ask her what she was going to do in the library.

She tells me she was just looking up a point of law for her law presentation and has a folder with 'criminal law' printed accross it in bold letters. I do law so I was like 'fuck, this can't get any easier'. Turns out she's doing largely the same course as me except she did her business component already and is now doing her law degree.

So heaps of fluff and a few negs here and there. GUESS WHAT? I completely forgot about the game stuff after my opener (I guess I was too excited by just talking so easily so long). So then I stop myself when I notice how much I'd given away by saying all this AFC shit like answering all her questions etc.

So I pause for a moment when she asks what I'm studying SPAM and say something like 'Why don't you tell me something about you'...sounded unnatural because we'd been talking so much and I'd already answered so much questions as had she. Then I said something stupid and told her what I do. Terrible I know!

Basically everytime I tried to utilise The Game I made the conversation a little awkward. I also was talking extremely fast for the fluff and so once I try to incorporate the game and talk slower (which I know I should have been doing for the whole convo) it seems like it makes the convo a little awkward.

My question is what do you do in situations like this where the convo is great and there's essentially no awkward pauses but you completely failed on using the game early on. Is it too late to use certain techniques? It felt like there was no chance for me to try any of the routines. She just kept talking.



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I try to analse whatever I said/did wrong in order to improve for next time so here are things I thought of afterwards:

When she said what I study I think I should have said:

"I've told you too much about myself. Its starting to feel like a job interview. How about you tell me something about yourself first?"

If she says no then I say we're stuck at an empasse and howabout I tell you something about yourself you don't know...then go into cold readings or something.

If she says okay...what do I tell her when she inevitably asks me what I do again?

Any tips guys? I got a number close but I'm not gona call her because whether it's fake or not I know I fucked up and so it doesn't really feel like an accomplishment.

Here's what you do. Don't think at all about routines or game when you talk to a girl. In your pick-up time, stop reading new material, start memorizing and practicing the routines you have and develop new ones. Approach a LOT more, and completely focus on the conversation. Really think about each thing she says before answering. That doesn't mean take forever before you respond, it means PAY ATTENTION so you understand what she's saying immediately. You might have a chance to use a routine, you might not. Don't look for one.

Afterward, assess your performance and learn any lessons you can, then stop thinking about it.

alright thanks. Today though I decided to call her just because I needed to go shopping for a party tomorrow which I just found out she's going to and I had no one to go with because everyone else is busy. So I texted her and she responded positively so we talked for awhile but after a while I thought I should close it so I said:

"Okay but if i tell you then you have to promise to stop texting me. my battery's running low:P Let's continue this convo tomorrow."

Then she responded with:

"Oh plz as if i'm dying to talk to you.. you knowwhat i don't even want to know..Conversation over cause that was a little rude don't you think. bye."

I didn't want to come off as a jerk but I still wanted to be cocky so I thought I should end it in that way. Should I never say something like this or is it maybe because I didn't establish any kino with her? I completely didn't expect a response like that because we talked so much the other day.

so I responded with:

"Now who's being rude haha. I'm actually being serious though. My battery was low, just got home now so it's fine. I was going to tell you I hadn't had a chance to meet much law students because it's my first sem here but I find it much more endearing to speak to someone in real life. Besides if we talk as much on here as we did in our first meeting you're gona bankrupt me:P"

She hasn't since replied and honestly I don't really care that much except that I want to improve my game and want to learn what I should have/should say. Is there something I can say to break the tension because I don't want it to be awkward if we see eachother at the party especially since I wan't her to act like a mutual friend for further gaming. At the same time though I don't want to be a jerk to women so I'd like to just remove any negative feelings for her.

Nooooo!! The text killed it!! I'm sorry man, you're gonna have to leave this one alone for at least a month. One question before I start, "Okay but if i tell you then you have to promise," what were you refusing to tell her? Alright, here we go.

The "Let's continue this convo tomorrow" trick didn't work for a couple reasons. It's assumptive and cocky, and that's really good. But the underlying message was clear, and she didn't like what she saw in that message. What it really said was: "Please keep talking to me tomorrow" which is needy and way too much pressure to put on her. I won't EVER call a girl two days in a row, probably not even text most girls that way, unless we're meeting up on that second day. She'll start feeling like she has to "succeed" in those conversations, especially if you tried to neg at all, and that feeling will never make her want to talk to you. She clearly said she wasn't interested in talking more. Very smoothly, in fact.

You're worried about kino, and that's a solid thing to think about when flirting with someone, but it won't really affect your text game.

You remember how you said when you tried to use the Game it made things awkward? She remembers that. She already knows there isn't 100% truth behind you posturing like a really confident guy, so be careful how you do it. There's a line between "Hahah you're such an asshole " and "Who does he think he is?" Also, make your texts as short as possible. (In general. It's ok to give her a little more if she's crushing on you pretty hard.)

Unfortunately, your text buried it.
"Now who's being rude haha. Really you. She said "Conversation over." I'm actually being serious though. My battery was low, just got home now so it's fine. You're assuring her that your battery was actually low? Dead giveaway, girls know that trick. "I just got home" will do if your phone actually dies. I was going to tell you I hadn't had a chance to meet much law students because it's my first sem here but I find it much more endearing to speak to someone in real life. You're sucking up to her now. What happened to cocky and funny? Besides if we talk as much on here as we did in our first meeting you're gona bankrupt me:P You don't have enough money to get to know her better?"

I'm sorry if this post seems harsh. I don't mean to pick you apart, or insult you. You're going into this for great reasons but a little bit in the wrong way. It's not about "getting girls," (for now) it's about improving yourself, making yourself a more interesting person, and using that to meet women. That means the focus is never on making her like you; think of your texts/phone calls as being about creating a vibe that you will enjoy. It's fun to banter back and forth with a cute girl, it's not fun to try to use PU "tricks" to make her interested, especially not when this mentality causes them to fail. Give it at least a month, and make it a month where you talk to lots of random girls. You have nothing to lose with girls that aren't connected to you.

Thanks for the constructive criticism. I do really appreciate it and can take it. She did end up texting me back today and we texted for a while but yeah I can understand now exactly what I did wrong so it's good for future reference. Thanks for the input again.