The problem is Starbuck, that this is a PUA forum and there is no artistry in using money to pick up women.

There is no artisty in waiting for a women to choose you
There is no artistry in pulling out your pecker and telling them to jump on

All of this advice is counter-productive to what is trying to be accomplished.

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Recommended reading list.

Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

I think the most important thing is to not be percieved as "buying" affection.

WHen you first meet a girl and offer to buy a drink thats total AFC, if you ask her out and pay for the meal - thats much more acceptable. She wont look at you as AFC for this - now if you brink flowers and a box of chocolate and spend $80 on the meal on the first date - thats try hard.

Yeah sure..

But then I don't suppose we should be in the business of denying reality either..

I think there's room here for other opinions and pick up philosophies, than just the ones you approve of Valence.

After all, the minute we start thinking we already know it all, progress stops entirely.

Like I said, when a woman buys me dinner I don't automatically equate that with DLV behavior.. Especially when she happens to be a high paid executive high up on the food chain.

I sincerely wish I could say in this society we were judged purely upon behavior only. But alas, and again this wouldn't be a realistic assessment of how things work out here in the real world. Everybody's gotta eat.

And free dinner compliments of the guy that asked her out is a survival attraction switch for many women. This goes back to the cave days..

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haha, goin out with this hb9 again this thursday, this time she's coming over to my place, agreed to stay overnight but warned me not to touch her sexually. (last time i kinoed her like a pervert on bed).
how the hell am i goin to laid?

Sorry, I think I may have been too sarcastic and we got our wires crossed. What I was trying to say is that if you've got that money to back it up, then fine, use it. If I am rich, then I'm going to be paying for a greater portion of things for sure. But, if I have to lie and tell her that I lent someone money, or that I just had a big bill, in order to get her to pay her share, then that's manipulative garbage.

If I find a rich girl, damn straight she's gonna be paying more. Its economics and having some social grace. If I can afford something easier than someone else, I'll help them out and they should do the same in return. I have no problem with a sugar momma, or being a sugar daddy, but I'm not going to lie and pretend I'm one to look cool.

If we're equal status, then she's paying her half and I'm paying mine, whether that means splitting the bill, or reciprocating later.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

You're going to go through the motions..

If you get her hot enough she wont stop you..

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Ignore her physically. Then you do a bit of kino and as soon as she balks, then you do a take-away. Stop the good feelings and she'll fight to get them back.

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~ Rye

Hey 2 things

1. If a guy invites me to dinner an expected me to pay I'd be a little angry

2. No girl comes to spend the night and not want to do anything

just my thoughts

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If only guys could get THAT through their thick heads! LOL.

BTW, Welcome L J.

alpha_asian . . . use your words first to get her turned on. In other words, start getting her wanting you through things that you tell her. Build her anticipation that way. Then, later, she will HAVE to have you to touch her.

Thanks for the words of wisdom L J..

And welcome to the forum..

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I was trying to make the point across is not to get all worried about paying a bill, don't make a big deal out of it. Now if your broke then don't ask her out. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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-RISK- "Only those who will risk going far can find out how far one can go"

No, we're teaching people ways of still going out without having to have tons of money. Ways to make splitting a bill acceptable. Places that you can go that don't require any money at all. Being a PUA is something anyone can do, you don't NEED money.

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~ Rye

You sound like Tom Leykis that tells guys not to spend no money on a date, or very little $40 or less, of course if you can get away with it go for it, but if you want to enjoy yourself and have fun come on, don't be cheap and don't count your pennies, you only have 28,000 days to live, can't take it with you and if your going to go bankrupt then I suggest you get a better job.

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-RISK- "Only those who will risk going far can find out how far one can go"

im a student man, plus if we had good job, nice cars, nice houses. i dont think seduction is important.

RYE LEE said, No, they like nice guys, they just don't like "nice guys".




I think that pretty much sums it up

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