The "reopener" idea is good stuff. It gives you a second chance where in most other systems you only get one chance to hook her with an opening.

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Good stuff man. I've gotten a like 85-90% success rate on the replies. The follow up "Hey thanks for helping me win a bet with my buddy." works well too, although it doesn't go far from that though. Its only been day 1 so we'll see how this goes.

two number closes since Saturday. Not bad if you ask me. The follow up is great but to make it effective you have to play it off and move into something else pretty quickly. Present something shiny and she'll move on. Lord Vader, would you agree?

I failed big time with this opener. Both POF and OKCupid. All I get is "???" and never get the second message. I messaged like 30 girls so far. Maybe it's cause of my location. I mean I was getting better response rate with regular openings. What am I doing wrong?

this may work only on a certain type of girl. i been trying this on HB 6-9 ages 18-30. i shot it prolly at like 30 girls about only about 7 got back to me. mind you, its within 24 hours, maybe i need to give it a lil more time, but i think that this doesn't work on the type of girl which i'm trying to attract, which is Urban females... black, spanish, urban white... that's where i live, new york... idk if it works with who i'm tryna lay.

Definitely only works with certain types of girls. I mostly don't get a reply from the second message but if you try the reopener it works pretty well. I just got another number close today and i started a week ago.

I think it does not work in big cosmopolitan cities like NYC, Chi, Mtl. I mean first message definitely works, but good luck with the second one. I'm guessing it works for more open minded and chill girls in smaller towns..

shit, i'm talkin about the first message... don't workkk

To all of you who say the opener doesn't work, whether a girl responds depends heavily on your pic and profile, so get some feedback on how to improve it. I've sent the opener about 150 times and get a response rate of 60-80%. I also only send it to girls who are currently online so it doesn't' get buried under all the other messages she gets. Just my thoughts.

Having field-tested this opener with a strong, proven profile, I am also getting a response rate of around 80%.
The follow-up is weak in my opinion, as it doesn't engage the girl enough, nor does it draw her into a conversation, but with a little tweaking I managed to ensure a 100% response rate from then on.

I subsequently number closed in about 70% of cases, which is about the norm for me once I have a girl engaged in a message exchange (I find it impossible to number close with some girls, as I suspect they are just on dating sites to test the waters, or for the attention).

Good point. Wish i had thought of that. Altho i do still get a pretty decent response.

Care to take a look at my profile so i can make it stronger?

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/FTMillTiger

Fort Mill, hollaa! I grew up in Steel Creek area, I lost my virginity in Fort Mill. Honestly, your profile doesn't stand out, not awful but not awesome either. Shorten the first section, spell check the last section. Instead of saying "This may be a little nerdy..." say "I'm now revealing my inner nerd." As far as music, don't say you like everything, mention specific bands. Get rid of the pic with the kid, she'll wonder if its yours, this doesn't help. Hope I helped.

Never said opener doesn't work, in opposite it does very well. What does not work is the second message though and reopener. I got 70-80% reply rate for 1st message and 0 for the second one. But at the same time I get 50-60% reply rate for "normal" opener and then it is muuuuch easier to follow up. But again, it may depend on the location and type of girls

Haha nice. I lived in steele creek for a year. Nice area. Really blown up lately. Bout to move uptown now tho. Thanks for the advice. Made a few changes. I like the pic with the kid so I added a caption. She is my niece so no, I don't have kids haha. See if that helps. Didn't really think that may be why my responses are low. If they stay low I'll experiment with a few other pics.

Are you on Okcupid? I'm from Philly as well, so I hope we aren't using the same lines on the same girls, lol