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Excellent advice, Nelson! Another point, (or maybe the same point in a different way of looking at it), is that "I'm tired" or any form of "No sex tonight", can often be a SHIT TEST. That's right. I had an AFC relationship where the girl would always be saying such excuses, and I would just let her. It wasn't healthy because I was getting pissed off, and she was thinking "Geez this guy's a pussy" or "Maybe he doesn't like me that much". Now I was being "respectful", trying to show that did like her, and she interpreted it as "I'm not turning him on enough, I'm not beautiful enough". Then one night, she literally told me straight up: "Don't let me do that. The next time, make it happen". So the next time that occurred, I did something similar to what Nelson said. And the tests kept coming. She continually said "Don't" or "Stop" or "Not tonight". But I kept at it because I didn't want her upset at me again. Eventually it turned into one hell of the night, and rather than her being angry at me for "stealing sleep", she was thanking me and telling me what an awesome time it was. Just because I had manned up and took the initiative, not believing her shit tests.


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Cool thanks guys.

Just had a bit of a think back and the more I look at it the more I realize that I really haven't been seducing her enough. I've got lazy.

Ill usually escalate quite quickly and then end up getting shut down. By initiate sex I mean foreplay not literally start trying to stick it in her straight away. Usually theres a lot of touching between us but as soon as I start to stoke her back or something along those lines she stops me. I should also add about a week ago she was admitted to hospital with a very sore and inflamed uterus (So thats a valid excuse). She has been giving me blowjobs nearly everynight as well.

I like the idea of giving her a massage next time she says she is tired something along the lines of "awwww babe, roll over and Ill give you a massage" then proceed to give her a massage and slowly escalate from there.

Thoughts? I know for a fact at times I have been lazy but I also know for a fact that at times when shes stopped me stroking her she has been wet and pretty damn horny


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well, you seem like you know what you're doing, try it out and see what happens. Update us to let us know you're making progress and that all is good. but other then that, you know what you're doing, just do it.


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I've never been with a chick that long, but I guess try and keep spontanious so its not everyday routine. Dont tell her your planning a weekend away and then go on one. Keep unpredictable.


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Very useful info for me too. Until the girl I'm dating now, ive never had a issue kino and building up to sex. Been extremely good at if I do say so myself. The last ex I had, we went at it more then I could keep up with, not complaining. And now my current gf is completely oppisite.(let me add that we been dating for 3 months now and still havent had sex) I've tried massages, rubbing hands in soft places and even on naughty places, truth is I get no response. Maybe that's where i went wrong, maybe her not saying anything was allowing me to con't. But I'm not a guy that says, "screw it, no response is better then nothing;" if i was like that then why not fuck a dead body or a girl in a coma(not trying to sound weird just making a point that I want some reaction). In a resent discussion with her she said she is not a "touchy feely" kinda girl and it seems either A) I have to man up and say we are Doing this or B) she doesn't fully trust me yet for w.e reason. Any advice is welcome guys.


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How DID you initiate the sex?



While I'm waiting for a reply to the first question, let me point out. If you initiate sex, she gives you an excuse like I'm tired, (which sometimes mean I'm not in the mood) don't fucking kiss her then say good night. You know what's going through her head when you said that, it'll be something like, "yeah.... thought so...." Every time she tells you "I'm tired" to have you say good night then roll over and sleep, she has become conditioned by you. When she is conditioned enough to predict your actions before you even do them, you have become predictable my friend, and when that happens.... boredom usually emerges.

If she tells you "I'm tired" and you do what you do, that doesn't show that you're considerate or loving. It shows her that you want her, but you're not man enough to take the lead, because you said she usually initiates it right? If she usually initiates it, and when you took the lead, she's not used to that. She's afraid that she's not going to be satisfied because things aren't going her way. That's where you have to come in and be a man, and be like, you know what? You're my woman, I'm a man, and I don't give a fuck if you want to do it your way. I am going to do it my way, my style, and you will love the sex as much as I do. Don't tell her by words, show her this by your actions. Go in there and tame her. When she sees that you can resist her like that right after she gave you an excuse, she will feel unattractive and not desirable. She will think, "wow.... he just acted like that when he just tried to initiate sex... did he not really want it?" She'll question herself by your actions. Don't ever.....do what you did again. That puts out the wild fire.

If it's not too late, I want you to initiate sex again, but before you do, please tell us how you go about doing it. As for her excuse, I don't give a fuck what her excuses are.

My gf used to tell me, "I'm tired baby...." and you know what, I understand she's tired. I know she's being honest about it, because she has a long day in class, and the professors a douche. I know she's tired. but you know what? I'M NOT TIRED! :twisted: I want to have fun, and I can't let her go to bed not touched and not satisfied. If I let her go to bed without experiencing a little touch of heaven ;) then I will feel like I'm not doing my job as her man and my manhood is going to be questioned.

You know what I do? I say, "awww, okay babe. Go to bed, I'll give you a "massage" ;)" I'll give her a massage, but not the kind that puts her to sleep, the kind that will make her hot. I'll do it veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery sloooowly. I'll tease her, I won't touch her in the sexual spots, breast, pussy, etc. I do it on the safe spots, but very sensually. Sometimes I don't even do massages, I just lay next to her, and start stroking her back with my fingertips. Touch her!!!

She might say no, but her body will say yes!!! Action speaks louder than words. If she says no, but her body is responsive, and if she tells you that she's tired, and you touch her and not push her too hard and she lets you, my friend, it doesn't matter how tired she is, she is turned on, her panties wet, and she is wide awake right now. You will notice by the way she breathes by the way she twitch, you would just know. This is when you stroke her more firmly, smell her neck, tell her how good she smells, show her that you're not afraid of being a man and show her that you can please her sexually if she lets you. Seduce the woman!!!!! Don't be the one to initiate the sex though, you initiate the foreplay, which is basically initiating the sex, now you gotta wait for her to make her move.

And when she fucking jumps you like a wildcat, because you've been tugging a yarn in front of her, sex will be crazy and it will be beautiful my friend. ;)


Don't think too much, just be in the moment. You don't have to follow whatever I said word for word, but I want you to see an example of what to do. If you are in the moment and your objective is to please her sexually and tease her bits by bits not to feed your ego but because you HAVE the desire to please your woman, she will fucking love you!

I can guarantee 100% and no money back!

Trust me, and I am still waiting for your answer to my question.



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I so wished I saw this at the beginning of August, it probably would have saved my relationship :(

Brilliant advice though Nelson!


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I've tried massages, rubbing hands in soft places and even on naughty places, truth is I get no response. Maybe that's where i went wrong, maybe her not saying anything was allowing me to con't. But I'm not a guy that says, "screw it, no response is better then nothing;" if i was like that then why not fuck a dead body or a girl in a coma(not trying to sound weird just making a point that I want some reaction). In a resent discussion with her she said she is not a "touchy feely" kinda girl and it seems either A) I have to man up and say we are Doing this or B) she doesn't fully trust me yet for w.e reason. Any advice is welcome guys.
Both of your possibilities are possible. It depends on what kind of girl she is. And you won't be able to tell unless you push for sex. Girls want a guy who can take control and isn't afraid to initiate sex. No response? That means she's not refusing it, so continue. She tells you to stop? Use some LMR techniques to see if she actually wants to stop it or not.

If she is firmly resolved that she doesn't want sex, that's fine. Don't keep pushing. She's not giving you anything, and you need to give her more time (possibly), or she will simply never be comfortable with sex (more likely). Neither is definite, as it depends on the girl.

Bottom line is to go for it, and see what happens. And my prediction is that she's just waiting for you to DO it, and not pussy foot around it.

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Thanks so its just not me then. She said last time I tried that she was afraid I would leave her after we had sex. But that's just a LMR now that I think about it. Oh well that has passed now. I started turning into AFC bout two weeks ago but had a wake up call few days ago(meaning I realised it and correcting it) might be too late but live and learn right. She has put no effort into this relationship but if i was AFC I could see why she didn't. I'm trying the "not give a fuck" method. I honestly have nothing to loose....except 3 months being a reborn virgin lol.


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You know what I do? I say, "awww, okay babe. Go to bed, I'll give you a "massage" ;)" I'll give her a massage, but not the kind that puts her to sleep, the kind that will make her hot. I'll do it veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery sloooowly. I'll tease her, I won't touch her in the sexual spots, breast, pussy, etc. I do it on the safe spots, but very sensually. Sometimes I don't even do massages, I just lay next to her, and start stroking her back with my fingertips. Touch her!!!

She might say no, but her body will say yes!!! Action speaks louder than words. If she says no, but her body is responsive, and if she tells you that she's tired, and you touch her and not push her too hard and she lets you, my friend, it doesn't matter how tired she is, she is turned on, her panties wet, and she is wide awake right now. You will notice by the way she breathes by the way she twitch, you would just know. This is when you stroke her more firmly, smell her neck, tell her how good she smells, show her that you're not afraid of being a man and show her that you can please her sexually if she lets you. Seduce the woman!!!!! Don't be the one to initiate the sex though, you initiate the foreplay, which is basically initiating the sex, now you gotta wait for her to make her move.

And when she fucking jumps you like a wildcat, because you've been tugging a yarn in front of her, sex will be crazy and it will be beautiful my friend. ;)
Great stuff. Teasing like this is so much fun. You get her wound up you then stop and say "It's a shame we can't do anything tonight because your too tired". Listen to her moan and whimper. Then carry on and increase her arousal levels but say "Shh, your trying to go to sleep. You need to lie still and silent". It will drive her nuts. Increase the arousal levels again and whisper "still and silent" in her ear. She will start to writhe around, open her legs etc. She is horny. All she wants is for a pussy to be touched and that's the one thing you are denying her. My girl will start to masturbate when she gets to this stage. I will grab her hand pin her down and say "Your're a naughty girl. You've got to get to sleep". You are now in control. As you say it doesn't matter how tired you are if you are aroused you aint going to sleep.

My favourite thing in the bedroom is teasing. I introduced it and it's now something she does to me and it drives me nuts. Our relationship is always super charged because of this element of play, suspense, and teasing. As to how long this could be sustained in a LTR I really don't know...


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Hi guys so its been a month or so.

I must say the first few weeks after I started doing things like this it was great was getting a few bj's a week and the sex was getting pretty damn good again. things were really looking on track.

But over the last 2 weeks things have gone drastically downhill. We still get on great generally during the day. Laughing and teasing, picking her up and playing around. Ill be stroking her and cuddling surprising her with little kisses behind her neck but as soon as we get to bed she instantly turns. We will cuddle then if I start to stroke her or anything she will say 'stop it im sick' then Ill say 'awww babe turn over ill give you a massage' then she will get really angry and say 'leave me alone i'm trying to sleep cause i'm sick' and move as far away from me as possible.

Little bit stuck as to why she switches to cold and angry as soon as we get to bed but seems great during the day?

On a side note we also had a argument the other day where I told her off. She later that day bought me home a coffee and apologized for acting like she did


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Hi guys so its been a month or so.

I must say the first few weeks after I started doing things like this it was great was getting a few bj's a week and the sex was getting pretty damn good again. things were really looking on track.

But over the last 2 weeks things have gone drastically downhill. We still get on great generally during the day. Laughing and teasing, picking her up and playing around. Ill be stroking her and cuddling surprising her with little kisses behind her neck but as soon as we get to bed she instantly turns. We will cuddle then if I start to stroke her or anything she will say 'stop it im sick' then Ill say 'awww babe turn over ill give you a massage' then she will get really angry and say 'leave me alone i'm trying to sleep cause i'm sick' and move as far away from me as possible.

Little bit stuck as to why she switches to cold and angry as soon as we get to bed but seems great during the day?

On a side note we also had a argument the other day where I told her off. She later that day bought me home a coffee and apologized for acting like she did
So the new technique / tips worked. But then you were back to square one. It therefore sounds like there are relationship problems that are overflowing into the bedroom. Perhaps it's time to dig deeper and have a honest conversation about your relationship, where you both feel it is at, where you want it to go, and what you like and dislike about it.


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Looks like breakup might be imminent.

She says the low sex drive is because she feels to comfortable and secure around me also that she is sick at the moment.

Looks like I must have gone afc at some point


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Just to update my situation, had an long chat with my gf last night on tons of issues. But as far as the sex part, turns out she cannot take any type of birth control pill right now. She also wants to go to a police academy ASAP, and works hard at that. I have confermed that so no worries. Anyways, so having said that you can see that getting Knocked Up is a very big concern for her. Now I did tell her i always wrap up, which by her reaction made her say, she didnt know i Was that kind of guy. Basically speacking that we both learned something new. A side note, she has had sex in the past and had one scare so to speak. I trust her to believe she is telling the truth. all in all, it was a misread on both us, dispute what most guys think, I'm willing to wait little longer now that I know that i wasnt doing anything wrong....she is just a slower typ. We do have strong feelings for one another and I believe its safe to say that the fact we talked things out and con't on says more then most relationships. Anything worth having is worth working for. I strongly believe that if we make it thru this, when more complex issues arise later down the road, and they will, we'll already have the trust in eachother to work thru it.together.
Any questions or even comments are welcome. I'm going into this half blind honestly, I've never delt with a situation like this before in all my years of dating.


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Always glad to hear updates. Just a word of advice because I see you don't have a lot of time on the forum: You should make a new topic or just send a specific user a PM, as that will prevent you from hijacking a thread and also possibly get your topic more views.

That she can't use any type of birth control is bull. I don't know her, but unless she has some serious medical condition (which if she's going to the Police Academy, I don't think she has one), then she is NOT allergic to all these types of birth control. There are what, now? 10-15 different types? Pregnancy is a choice in this day and age. She is using this as (I don't want to say a shit test, though that is possible), but rather as an excuse for her real reasons to not have sex with you. Since she has had sex before, she's some virgin holding out, which means that there is then some reason. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQhIHWW3_j4

As far as her calling you out for being "that kind of guy"? That's just bad business all around. She's trying to make you feel guilty for something because of her own insecurities, and to try and shift the responsibility of not having sex from her on to you. I'm not saying that she is being intentionally deceitful or anything, or that she's consciously manipulating you. This is just her built in "don't hurt me emotionally" defense.

I would either resign yourself to the idea that nothing is going to happen with this girl and, too late, you've already been "friend-zoneded" (in a manner of speaking), or you can try to break out by building a lot more on attraction, and showing that sex has no value to you, so why is she making a big deal out of all this. Just ignore the topic completely.

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That is a good point, but I have ended things with her. She was too confusing and reckless with my heart and feeligs. I dont deserve it. So I broke it off. Further more she wanted to see if we could be "friends" bc she believed we never were. I explored this idea of what she thought a "friend" was and she couldn't answer it. That was the final straw for me, if someone cant/won't answer something so simple after all this, then im out. I know what i value in a friendship of any kind and she obviously doesn't fit it. It was a long sad hurtful road but I learned. I know for next time a starting point for when a relationship starts, and may save myself heartache.
Thanks for your insites and support either way. Maybe shell take somethin away from this and turn her life around before she learns how lonely it will be, with the path is she on. Haha a 40 year old nver married living at home with mom n dad and no True friends is her path.


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