I was at a ghetto club last Thursday. I was pretty drunk, and walking past the dance floor when 2 guys came out of nowhere and hit me with a couple decent punches. I was dazed, and as quick as they came they were gone. Didn't really see their faces till later that night when we both got kicked out.

Back to today. I went to donate plasma. The girl kept smiling at me who was pricking me...Apparently she was with the dudes that hit me, and I talked to her at the club. She said they thought you were trying to take their girls. "You've hit on the girls they were with many past nights as well." I laugh, "haha maybe I don't really remember what happened even yesterday let alone last week." "Im just really aggressive and if girls dont like that I leave...which is what I did that night." I think they are probably just insecure guys that like to fight cheap...

Then she says, "You know they work here right?" So I go donate plasma and the whole time I have the faggot (Racism/generalism part taken out by Ezo) looking all aggressive at me. My question is, "When is violence necessary?" Because to be honest I'm not really pissed off, and don't think beating these guys up would bring me any satisfaction. Am I that fucked up that nothing really pisses me off anymore?

Would any of you want to beat these guys up? Maybe I was a prick to the girls. I don't even remember the interaction. I usually beast too hard to rememember pointless shit like this. Definitely didn't deserve to get attacked..,

Thoughts?

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For me, anytime anyone tries to step on my toes. Its animalist instinct for us to fight and mate. So part of trying to become a naturalized alpha, fighting is a part of it. And also you pretty much showed that girl that was taking your plasma that your a bitch when you found out that when the guys that rocked you worked there and you didn't do shit about it. You don't feel anything because you're too scared to do anything but you tell yourself you don't feel anything so you don't feel like a bitch when you take the walk of shame.

My $0.02, take it as it is.

When you need to defend your self.

This probably the biggest load of shit I have read today on here (and believe me, there is a lot of it). This is what happens when a guy reads on how to be an alpha male, doesn't really understand it, and this is the result. Go and read up on how to be an actual alpha male, and not the guy who sees any banter as an attempt to AMOG.

I agree with Street Geek that OP should've gone and talked to the guys and asked them why they did it. Attempt to reconcile any differences because let's be honest, no one wants to be jumped by two guys no matter how big you are, but if they are going to be dicks let them know you won't take their shit should it happen again.

The girl who took your plasma sounds like a shit stirrer to me, none of this asking if you were all right etc, just a casual "oh they thought you were trying to hit on their girls" - as if that makes it all right.

Violence is only necessary if it's the only option. I honestly couldn't give a shit if I run from a fight, I have things to lose. Your average scummy dole bag couldn't care if he gets another addition to his criminal record, but if I get one there are so many things I can't do because of it.

THIS... x 3

Other reasons you should maybe (its always situational) get violent is if some drunk harms your girl, your friends, or you and you not being able to get out of there.

Street/club/alley/any-non-sanctioned fights can get messy man. They could have weapons, their friends could be waiting to jump in, ect.

That said, sometimes you simply cant avoid a fight.

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First off, I modified your post, we all agree that the guys were jerks for hitting you but their race has nothing to do with that and nothing to do with your post so just leave it at that.

Second, your question:

When is violence necessary?

When is violence justified? When someone attacks you and you have to defend yourself.

When is violence smart? When you think that you will win.

When is violence necessary? When you have no other alternative.


Those guys are dicks, yes, for beating you because of some girl, they dont own anyone and cannot decide who gets to talk to them and not.


But try to not fight, it is an unneccesary risk and you might end up biting off more than you can chew.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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First never ever ever ever, fight at the club, that is why i say NO DRINKING, when you are in a club you need to be like an xmen all logistics, all calibration, all reading male/female/groups/friends body language AT ALL TIME, no drinking, maybe a little little bit, never ever fight at the club, walk away, if you win you lose why? cause lowers your value, you will get kicked out and ban from the club, you will get your ass kicked by the bouncer, and then you will get arrested, and then you will post bail and a record... P.S. Plug to my upcoming book, i talk about this in detail... It should have never got to the point were guys punch you, it does not make sense it just does not happen automatically like that, the problem is you were DRUNK...By the way i teach mma, and people want to fight me all the time at the club, i just breath deep and high five them or call the bouncer, you should be friends with all the bouncers..

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I think asking about violence is too far on a pua forum

these guys have been giving good advice, but as far as it goes, its up to you to decide. People will differ, some will feel the need due to whatever reason to be violent at any instance, others will avoid it at all costs.

IMO, neither of the two are good. The first will get you arrested/injured or killed, the latter will deny you the raw power to defend yourself and others around you at times.

Its up to you to think about, nothing even to do with girls or whats a DHV or whatnot. Whether you decide that violence is never ever the answer and leave all this stuff to the police etc, whether you decide to always get into a fight when it arises from now on or whether, like me, you just decide that from now on you will learn how to defend yourself and be prepared to do so whilst hoping you never have to is your call.

whatever people say violence is an integral part of humanity, my sociology lecturer a few days ago told me of a study on papa new-guinea tribes where they found 50% of males that died, did so as a result of violence.

However how you deal with it is up to each individual

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Id rather die on my feet than live on my knees

+1

Violence? Only if you or someone else who is weaker is in mortal danger- I used to be in the military, I am in pretty good shape and grew up on a farm so I am bigger than most guys so I can normally most things that come my way. That said- I am not going to do all this posturing or commit to a fight without a damn good reason, that's pointless. Very rarely have I seen two guys pound on another guy without a reason so you had to have been doing something. The only time I have seen it where it was pointless was when I was in the military and some wanna be bad ass would pick a fight with all of us, or a Jarhead would pick a fight and we'd all beat down.

Here is the problem as I see it (I wasn't there) what the hell were you doing getting drunk and running game? That's the most idiotic thing I have read. You should know better. If you're going to game stay sober. You had to have been acting like an ass and if you were good on em. If it were random violence it would have been a lot worse, what you got was "Stay the fuck away from us and our women, you're dangerous." consider it a warning.

You should have bought them a drink, chewed the fat, made them part of your tribe, then they would have handed you their women on a fucking silver platter.

Bull. There is basic right and wrong in the world, and harming people is wrong, always. My only reason to fight would be that someone is trying to harm me. They are committing the wrong, so I only need to apply enough force to stop them. Just because some new guinea tribe kills eachother every day doesn't mean the violence is right. I hate to rant, but it irks me when people say that culture, religion, personal values, etc can mitigate something which is really so simple.

Don't fight people. I mean, if this isn't a sign you need to cut back on the drinking I dont know what is.

Man, if you're going to a ghetto club, you need to roll with a posse of 3+ just incase. Then you can hit on women aggressively. If not, before hitting on the girl, I'd just ask, "Hey, are you taken?"... Depending on how she replies, you move in/move out.

This dude gots it spot on.

In regards to fighting: If you honestly do not have the option of getting out of there or any way of reasoning with them, then it's understandable. As a plus, if you demonstrate proper body language and tonality while refusing, most girls will take this as a DHV. Many people who fight do so because they feel they have something to prove -- which we all know is not a characteristic of a confident man.

Read the question, then read my answer/reply. It has nothing to do about trying to avoid fighting, but when fighting is necessary. Because there may be a time when you CAN NOT cool the situation and the only thing you can do is defend your self. Notice I said DEFEND. I didn't say kick the guys ass or what have you, I said defend. I am sure you agree there is a difference between the two. Will you get kicked out? Most probably. Will you get arrested? Maybe, but if you tell your story as calmly as possible to the cops I doubt they will and just say don't go back in for the night.