You know, I could be wrong, but I thought the entire point of social networks and dating sites was to socialize and date. However, I've met more girls on social networks such as Myspace/Myyearbook than I've ever met off of an actual dating site.

I live in a small town but I see the same girls online.. every single time I log on. It's the same girls who are still single and still don't respond to messages, for months on end I've seen these girls online and one girl has been online every day ever since I first joined the site a few years ago.

Yet they're unresponsive no matter how clever/funny or short your message was. Notta. It doesn't matter what you type.. you could message them "I'll give you $1,000,000 if you respond to this." and still, it would get a "read deleted" from most of them. I just do not understand the girls on PoF.

Are they expecting some 6'4 blonde British doctor who drives an Audi to message them? News flash girls.. guys like that don't need online profiles.. or game.. or to contact anyone for that matter. I've met only one girl on PoF for the entirety of the time I have been apart of that website.. I'm a young guy with a big nose but honestly, I don't look too bad. So I'd love to know what exactly the beef is on that website.

Perhaps some others have different versions and meet women regularly off PoF? If so, I'd love to know your secret because just getting responses alone is a pain in the ass from the girls on here. I can't imagine why most of them are single though, it could have something to do with the fact they never respond or message anyone or meet anyone -_- So, maybe I'm wrong about all this and the point of social networks and dating sites is to create profiles and turn down guys online to make yourself feel good and raise your self esteem.. who knows?

cg obviously there's dudes doing it right on POF. But my experience is the totally the same. I tried POF for about 2 months. As I've complained many times before, I couldn't get past the design as the biggest hindrance.

I corresponded with a bunch of women on there, only to have it go nowhere, or to be flaked on the day of. I don't know what's up.

Every advice I read on Online Sarging mentions getting them to # close or agree to meet with you in the first few messages.. how in the hell?

Most of the responses I get when I bring up the idea of meeting up are "Idk" "i don't know if I should, idk you" or something along those lines. Maybe, I need to rob a bank then hire a plastic surgeon to just make me "natural-ish" good looking.

Then I wouldn't need these clever little lines or "game" as we call it.

Im sure you know a fair bit of online dating such as write good messages and such but the truth is women are more selective online. They literally have 100's of messages a week if not 1,000's depending on how hot they are.

They are looking for a guy as attractive or more attractive than them and looks matter more than anything else in the context of Online Dating. A completely different ball game to being in field.

To have success you will have to lower your standards. I have pulled some HB 8's bit it was so much effort that its not even worth it. The ones that are easy are usually crazy crazy women and I mean CRAZY! and the ones who aren't crazy takes at least 3 months of comfort building. It can be done but its hard work.
Its stupid isn't it. But at the end of they day its a scary experience for them. Just explain that you understand and build more raport just don't react negativly and say

Totally concur.

I've always maintained that Plenty of Fish is an absolute waste of time.

I've messed with that site off an on for about a year and a half; probably sent some 500 messages.

I have yet to receive ONE response from a girl I write--- ever. Not a one.

At least on the response side of things, I've done better on other sites, but wish the paid ones were more up front with you about whether you're actually talking to a subscriber (someone who'll even see your message)

As far as the sites becoming a sausage festival as you get up in the age, isn't that ironic? The ratio is heavily in your favor at a time in your life when you most likely don't need online dating.

When you're a few years out of college, got a nice career nailed down, etc., *now* you're in sausage-ville for trying to meet girls??

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try asking them something that they'll be insecure about. I saw a girl with a fun pic with her and some girl in a chicken costume. I asked her if she wears that costume as part of her job. She responded postitively to me with funny response. BAM hook .

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Why not message them with something more like "Wow, you're still here? I only just came back and here you are. You're persistent, I'll give you that"

I do wonder the same thing though. Last december I went on POF for the first time, used it on and off since to no great success yet still see the same girls on there every time. Seems odd to me too.

well try my line.

Hey I would remove that picture on your profile

I bet you, you will get way more response then

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Tried it today with 50 girls, no response.

Tried princess/kingdom with another 50, no response.

Ya know, I'm really thinking some of these lines we're given to use are just setting us up to fail. There was even this bullshit one I read here about saying "in my mind I've already married and divorced you, you can keep the house in Hawaii, but I get the yacht."

I must've tried that shit with over 200 girls, no response.

NO LINE, and I can say with a certainty, NO line I've read on a forum has ever gotten me a response.

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Well what does your profile picture look like? Here is an example of mine on okcupid http://www.okcupid.com/profile

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Okay, here you go, tiny one in the bottom left is my profile pic., but doesn't look that small on the actual site. OKC I guess decides to blow up some of my regular pics for their own purposes or whatever, which is fine, I use a soft-focus filter!

But seriously, does my profile pic. scream "CREEEP!!!!"?? Or hell, even "UGLY!! Stay AWAY!!!" Tons of female friends and exes have told me they think I'm a decent looking guy, so what gives?

This is what THESE looks have gotten me, in person:

Those pics of me with the black shirt, nightime hillside background, cigar, and greenery were actually when I was in SkyBar, in LA and I just started chatting up this chick and got her to introduce me to her friends, I was like, "That's what people do at clubs, right?" long story, I ended up meeting this NHL hockey player she was there with (and a bunch of other "beautiful people". He kinda took me under his wing and introduced me all around to the hottest ass girls, probably in LA that night. Hooked up with one at least 10.

Yet, you put that pic, ANY of my pics online, and girls, turn their fuckin nose up, scoff, and look the other way.

Side-note: I read on a forum that one dude asked a bunch of girls who didn't write back why they didn't write back, and that they were "SO cool about it!" Well I asked about 50, one replied, and feedback she gave included, "Don't show the car you drive, that's a douche move."

Do you agree?

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I totally don't get this thread... to the extent I'm wondering if we're talking about the same sites!

I get an answering ratio of well over 50% on POF, with simple opening lines.

It might help to know what's in your profile...

My profile makes me sound like a cunt, and through experimentation, that was what worked best for me.

You're obviously not a bad looking guy, but imo your pics make you appear like a mommy's boy, and they are not terribly exciting. Assuming you come across as a nice guy in your profile too, that could explain a lot of the lack of interest you are experiencing.

Hey these girls online are fucking vicious man. Dude you're not a bad looking guy (no Homo) You should peacock it a little.

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Hey, I can feel your frustration. I know that your qualifier above--"I could be wrong"--is meant ironically, but it ain't necessarily so that most of the girls on dating sites are actually using the sites to actively try to get actual dates or to meet guys in any way that would seem recognizable to you.

They are doing a bunch of other stuff instead. For example, they are "testing the waters," to try to decide if they are "the kind of girl who uses a social dating site." They are engaging in what I call "social pornography" (gossipy romance fantasy). They are avoiding meeting guys face-to-face while pretending that they are looking for a perfect match. They are playing the lottery--as in, "who knows, if I put my profile up, maybe Olympian Jove will come riding down from his mountain top and carry me away." They are producing their virtual presence as a way to validate their existence. They are getting a little thrill and ego boost from being able to turn down and ignore so many guys. And so on...

Obviously people do meet from these sites, but to me it doesn't seem worth the effort--at least not in the "general" pool of folks not looking for anything out of the ordinary.

Having said that--if you really want to make the sites work for you, you have to stand out. Your photos are bland--this is not your "looks" but your "look"--you look like a nice guy. Also the quality of the photos is low. I would not invest in professional portraits, but surely you have a friend who knows his way around a camera (or get a tripod and experiment).

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Mama's boy...okay fair enough. I'm obviously not standing around in those pictures looking like I'm trying to start a fight. But I don't know what else I'm supposed to do...?.. Get a Mohawk? Take lots of pictures sticking my tongue out? Get a leather biker vest? What? I actually had lots of pictures before of girls on my arms (still there) and one girl commented THAT was douchey.

I'm clean-cut, I won't apologize for that, and I like generally clean-cut girls. If you want to call that a Mama's boy, that's a totally valid view. I can't complain about that, it's just what to DO with it.

I'm sorry, Jeff Allen of RSD is a fictional character. I just don't see the bad-boy persona being sustainable....

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