Im currently gaming an HB9 over the past 3 weeks.

She flaked on me last evening,which makes it her 4th.flake in 3 weeks.

Did everything I could to prevent this flakery.

I built comfort(perhaps not enough),engaged her via phone convo',ect.

This post isnt about why she flaked and how to get her to not flake.

But for the record,over the past year,I've been flaked on by 90% of the girls I successfully # close.

Sicc friggin' ratio I know(lol).

In fact,if it wasnt for me being in an LTR,I would not have gotten laid in a year.

Hard to fucking swallow from a guy who prior to my LTR had been laying a new girl every other week for years.

Oh I admit,being in an LTR does kill your seduction skills thus you'd become rusty.

But this' the grand realization for me:

I have over an 80% better success at lying girls the same night(SNL)opposed to setting up a meet/date the next week.

It seems like # closing girls and targets is my pitfall.

Not that I have a hard time # closing;Im quite great at it.

What I mean is,every girl I # close turns out to be a flake 95% of the time.

So it's sought of like a curse for me to # close.

Staggering Note:when Im presented the opporunity(logistics)to lay the girl the same night I meet her(bar,club,party,any night venue),Im 80% more likely to lay her than if I opt for a # exchange and try meet up in few days.

So I now realize that same night laying the girl is 90 times more possible & probable for me than if I go for a # close.

Give me 30 minutes chatting to a girl I'd just met that night,I have an 80% chance to lay her,either at my place or some cozy area in a park or somewhere outdoors.

All I needed was 30 minutes of that girl's time to make out then lay her few hours later.

That's why I'd dubbed myself master of club game.

It was standard and almost automatic that I f-close a girl after clubbing or bar.

No # exhanges,no "I'll see you tomorrow on our date".

The # exchange came after she's slipping on her thongs at 6 am after a night of clubbing.

So # closing girls in clubs to me is backwards and irrational,unless you'd already tried seducing her but could'nt pull her or had bad logistics or cockblocks.

But it seems like the moment I go for the # before trying to lay her,the Gods of seduction put a curse on the process for that girl to flake(lol).

Im just now(today)realizing this sticking point of mines(flakey girls),that Im actually 100 times better at same-night lays than setting up dates and meet-ups.

It's all slowly coming together for me'cause just few months ago I'd decided to stop # closing girls period!

But I didnt comprehend why I felt that way despite me being super good at getting solid #'s.

But I guess subconsciously,something was telling me that Im selling myself short by of lays by # closing.

I've been in an LTR for 2 years now(as everyone knows on the forum-lol).

Prior to the LTR,90% of my lays came from SNL,girls I met that night.

I guess I'd put my focus on SNL then,while Im now putting my focus on a specific sequence of # closing first,call & text,build comfort,set up meet,etc.which brings me no results.

Whatever I was doing with those girls to have been able to consistanly lay them the same night,I need to get bacc to that frame,mindset and formula.

My current-standard formula of seduction(chat,#,text her,call her,build rapport,set up date)is yielding me SHIT besides #'s I then delete from my contact within 2 week for being flakes!!

I guess some guys are good at SNL & one-night stands(ONS)while others are good at setting up dates then lay.

My task from today is trying to figure out what I used to do in order to SNL so flawlessly.

Vin Dicarlo's esclation ladder concept on KINO was a huge part of my ability to bang chiccs same night.

Perhaps I'd abandoned Vin's KINO concept.

Comfort is major also.

In order to SNL a girl or pull her from a club or from the bus stop,she has to be comfortable with you.

So in all likelihood,my comfort-building skills was off the fucking charts.

I RARELY had girl not want to leave with me;whether she's at a bustop or the bar.

Now in 2011,I cannot build comfort via phone to save my fucking life(lol).

Perhaps Im better at rapport/comfort vis a vis in person.

Im gonna try rationalize this phenomenon of mines and ev entually develope my own formula on same night lays.

No friggin' # closing!

I dont know if other guys on the forum could relate to my sentiments.

Maybe the guys who're good at KINO and make-outs could relate.

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I've found that if you express sexual intent early and she still hangs around, it's only a matter of time until she has sex with you. Whether she's waiting til she's horny enough or feels enough comfort is anybody's guess. Maybe a combination of both. But the key is keeping up that tension til her hang-ups fade away.

What made you go to the slower number closing method anyway? You're probably not being aggressive enough.

Great insight Deadeyexx.

Im totally on board with you;I have no probs' escalating nor pumping her buying temp' getting her horny.

But you asked the million dollar question.

Why did I revert to a slower method/standard to gettin laid?

For 1,I'd entered an LTR of 2 years.

Quite naturally,my skills has gotten rusty.

Being in an LTR kills pick-up skills.

Im still in the LTR but with more freedoms now.

Knowing Im rusty,rather than revert to my old-successful KINO method(which is a mixture of Mystery Method,Vin Dicarlo's Kino suff,etc.),I got sucked into the "take-it slow",less KINO methods which relies more on # closes then date.

So I took a major step backwards form what works for me to what doesnt work for me.

So I lost a lot of my game from my LTR.

I was still gaming throughout the 2 year LTR,but most of my same-night lay skills had evaporated.

But since relying on the # close methods,over the past year bro',I havent laid 1 fucking girl besides my LTR(lol).

I've been 0 in 100 for the past year(lol).

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I don't know about this: I have found the best way to prevent flaking is to not give a shit. I only have one HB9 who flakes on me, and then days later will come crawling back.

The male immunity to flaking and games is: date as many women as possible at the same time.

Alot of the 8,9, 10's are attention whores, so if you're with someone else, and she is texting and you don't text back, it almost builds an addiction.

However: the higher up you go in the "Attractive food-chain" the more common flaking is. They don't give a shit, they got tons of dudes chasing them, and since they're pretty, they never needed to adhere to common social values/.skills. They learned at an early age, they could get men to do whatever they want.

So- like I said, be with as many at one time as possible and it'll be like a brick passing through a ghost, it won't even occur to you to notice.

I agree with you totally M2.

My way of pick-up is similar to what you've laid out.

Thing is,Im still getting flaked on like crazy.

9 out of 10 flake on me.

I know the resaon they flake:lack of comfort building on my part.

But I've sought it out but they still flake.

I lack comfort-building skills via phone.

In person,Im great at rapport stuff.

But my simple remedy to this dilemma is this:go back to my successful days on pick-up where my aim was for a same night lay.

Nowadays,my goal as 95% of the guys in the community is to # close,then work from there.

That method gets me 0 fucking results.

When I make my goal to SNL the girl I game,my chances in laying her is 8 in 10 in getting the lay(lol)!

So I'd fallen away from what works.

It's like a successful boxer,he wins all or most of his fights.

For whatever reason,he tries a new style,new trainer,then he looses because he fell way from what works for him.

That is my current dilemma.

I need to stop setting my goals to "get her #",back to laying her right now tonight(which should be every guy's primary goal).

Like I said,the "get her # first" method works for some but not others.

Doesnt work for me.

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Well first, you are WAY ahead of most dudes on here. Kudos. Not to mention identifying a flaw in your game which is great. There are tons of posts out there on text/phone game. I would also pimp out your FB. That keeps them interested. I am not sure if comfort is the problem here. With these women you have to build an INSANE amount of attraction and that will carry it forward. The confusing part though is if you're getting laid like a mad-man, then you're already doing it!


Actually just take back all my comments. All I can say is: WTF? haha

Maybe you're giving off too much of a player, I don't give a fuck vibe. You got me sir. My brain hurts now.

Thanks for the props M2.

My thing is every guy has faults and sticking points.

Im not too proud to post mines rather than hide behind a wall of invincibility.

Despite coaching guys on here,I have many friggin' flaws in my game and Im not too big-headed to ask questions on here like a newbie,despite doing pick up for years.

I suck at online game and comfort building over the phone.

Yes,I can give correct advise on the how to,but for me to implement them my own self is a task,while it my be smoother for her guys.

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Dude- you're way ahead of the curb and, we can save the world one girl at a time if we work together! We all started out as something else. A thought occurs to me. I posted a similar situation in general named "Flaw in my game?" I think it may be similar. Matter-of-fact I am going to be posting something in general in a sec, another flaw in my game I noticed. Hit me up!

I excel at text/phone/online game. Shit I am running a bf destroyer currently that is nearly all through that and the girl sent me 127 texts yesterday! LOL

The key is to be casual, playful, cocky and learn to read her through the screen. I think rapport building and figuring her out before hand would be a good thing, also make sure she associates that little blinking light on her phone with good feelings of you.

Some of my texts in the past.

"Hey- we still meeting at 8? I got to fight at T-Rex at 9."

"Had a great time last night, didn't I look amazing!? LOL"

Stuff like that---just as an example.

Not sure if that's a different method, or just the second part of the same one. Because to get to the point where you can not care and have her chase you, you need to build a ton of interest or you'll just be forgotten instead.

It's a tough combination to figure out depending on who you are. If you're a high value guy who hits all the attraction triggers in the first 5 seconds, you could play aloof from the start. However, if you're a random, unknown guy who someone really has to get to know to appreciate, it's gunna take a lot more game.

My philosophy is that the average HB attention span is tiny (when it comes to men), and you have to work hard to stay on the radar.

This is what I've done to avoid flakes...

-First night you meet her, flirt, get her number. Before you leave her, tell her you will text her tomorrow or something.
-DON'T text her, don't add her on Facebook or anything.
-Wait until time you see her around town, keep flirting (a lot of times they will tell you that they are disappointed you didn't text them....)
-Now that you've flirted w/ her twice, she somehow trusts you more. Now you can text her for a day 2 and she will almost definitely respond.
-Or if you want you can tell her this time you DEFINITELY will text her, but don't. Then the third time you see her, she will be really confused why you havent texted her.

dude- I live in an area with 1.4 million people. LOL- I doubt I'll ever see any of these women again.

Good info