so last night, after one real date and 3 nights hanging out at my place I f-closed this broad I met from an online dating site... I think it only took that long b/c we'd hung out the 3 previous days and she was on the rag, plus I think having my dude over and seeing how damn funny we are together helped... anyways, it wasn't too bad except for the fact that she's kind of boring in the sack... I'll strip her down, finger bang the shit out with her, have her grinding on top of me and passionately kissing and all kinds of foreplay but she's yet to touch my dick, even when she feels I'm hard ... I don't know how many dudes she's been with so maybe she's a little timid or maybe she doesn't know what to do, I don't know.. I just wish I could get a return of pleasure when I'm finger fuckin her and shit. I've given her oral twice and still nothing, usually after you go down on a chick they're all about returning the favor. I really hope she's not one of those girls that hate blowjobs or whatever, how can I release her inner whore without making her feel uncomfortable???

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This is a situation where IM can come in handy. If you guys can IM each other, I guarantee you you're more likely to get an explicit sexual conversation out of her then in person. Find out exactly what she wants, what she fantasizes about, then tell her the same about you.

If that's not a realistic option, you need to find a way into this conversation in person. Not easy, depending on the woman.

It could just be she lacks experience. If you're giving her what she wants, take her hand and guide it where you want it. If she pulls it back, you know you have a problem. Well, actually, she has the problem, but it's yours too now. You could stop what you're doing and ask her (gently) what's wrong.

Good luck.

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Her inner "whore", or her inner "slut"? There's a difference, cause if you want to turn her into a stripper, or a porn star, or an actual whore, then that's one thing and just making her be a nasty dirty slut, is a different thing. (I really wanted to thrown in some more words, but I'd rather not get in shit of being as crude as you can get with a girl if you know what you're doing).

If you want her to be your dirty little slut, then I can help you with that. I've got a few ebooks on that kind of thing, but I've only read the one so far and it was a good start. Really improved my game and what girls will do for me. If I can get them folding all my laundry a day after they met me, think what I'll have them doing when they've been having a continuous orgasm for the past 15 minutes (completely possible, this guy would give girls orgasms for over an hour).

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Yep, I'm that guy . . . lol, no I didn't write that book, but I've accomplished the same thing. So, yes it is possible.

Advice, you're giving her too much sexually w/o her giving you something in return. I mean, yes, she does need to be extremely well pleasured by you, but you keep fingering her and have down on her twice without that in return.

Like snubby said, you could try guiding her hand. See if it is inexperience or if she just doesn't want to do it.

It could also be BAD experiences that are blocking her.

if u have an inexperienced girl or a girl that just doesnt like giving head -

iv been able to get her over this by using the shower

i dont know maybe she was scared of putting a cock in her mouth

but after a shower where she sees it nice and clean
and gets over the hurdle of that first time -
she'll give it to u whenever u want

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Ask her if she's a virgin.Good luck. Artist p.s don't question me!

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Good idea.

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Christ on a crutch don't do that!

If she's not then thats harsh neg, or maybe even out and out insult... this isn't the attraction phase anymore and right before sex IS NOT the time for negs.

And if she is... then now your informaed of something you didn't need to be... and she has a perfect excuse to keep taking sexually without giving anything back.

Are you not wanting to fuck her for some reason? I mean with the trying to get her to give you head or a handjob? If your not avoiding fucking her then I say go for that next... first, second, home... hell thats how I usually run the bases anyway

1 - Tripp said your giving her too much. Absolutely.

2 - You need to back off on giving her all this pleasure and tease her.

3 - Develop more or stronger sexual tension. The idea is that you want her to want to grab the shit out of your dick. There are several ways to develop more sexual tension and stimulation: subtle music, acting disinterested, a few candles around the house (sublte once again, no1 wants to look like a cheeseball romantic), wearing less clothing around her but not engaging, teasing her verbally or pysically, etc. Romeo is an expert in developing sexual tension, that little latin devil can give you in detail advice about it.

or...there is another way, the brute way, which has worked several times for me, but can be risky. Sometimes girls just suck in bed, period, and if you want something from them your going to have to lead. If ya know what I mean.

Next time your in the sack with h

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Thank you Doc, thank you.

well last night she stayed over again and same shit... once again I got no attention so I didn't give her much either, once I got hard I pulled her panties off and pulled her on top of me... after a while I ended up losing my hard on b/c i'd been drinking and just wasn't that turned on.. we started making out and I was fingering her and asked her to go down on me and she just acted like she didnt hear me, then I grabbed her hand and as I pulled it toward my cock she pulled it away so yea I'd say I'm fucked... I don't think this girl is inexperienced, I didn't notice the first time but last night doing her missionary it felt like I was banging a jar of jelly, she wasn't any tighter than the chick with 2 kids I had as a BC a few weeks ago.. It's crazy cuz shes skinny as hell so I thought she'd be pretty tight but negative, maybe I just found a whore, after all she did open me on an online dating site... anyways, any other position is fine but when we're missionary I can't feel a thing hence why I lost my hard on... I'm thinkin I'm just gonna keep her around as a BC til something else better comes along, or rather I go get something better, and not really sweat the fact that she's afraid of cock.. I know she's starting to get connected and attached, she told me after the 2nd night I'm unlike any guy she's ever dated.. which is good, it shows I'm evolving, it is our objective to allow the girl to fall in love with us without becoming attached ourselves.. but I'm just gonna play it kool and if I have to, I'll tell her we're on two different levels between what we want from each other...

Rye Lee if you can email those ebooks or post a link to download them I'd appreciate it...

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I've already hit it, I just wanna get some head... I'd say 90 percent of girls I'd rather just get head from than have sex, but I do love hittin it doggy.. I just need a blonde bombshell that loves to suck dick and let me hit it doggy.. if she takes nuts in the grill all the better... lol

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That's a big 10-4 good buddy. You got a screwy one. If she won't even touch it, but she let's you have sex, well that's pretty odd.

Good luck with that one.

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yea no doubt... lol anyways, I just brought it up in a text message convo and it went like this, for shits and giggles I'm pimpjuice and she's penisenvy...

Pimpjuice: Can I ask you a question?
Penisenvy: Sure...
Pimpjuice: Are you afraid to touch my dick?
Penisenvy: Oh Lordy!! lol, you retard.
Pimpjuice: It's a legitimate question.
Penisenvy: It is a legitimate question...
Pimpjuice: I know, are you avoiding it?
Penisency: I hate dick, I'm a lesbian...
Pimpjuice: Well, technically at this point you're a bisexual but whatever...

after about 15 minutes

Penisenvy: I guess I'm just hesitant at first...
Pimpjuice: Thats kool, just wondering.

So I think at this point she'll almost feel obligated to give me some attention but we'll see, she's probably gonna wanna hang out tonight which will be like the 5th night in a row and 3rd night in a row she'll stay over, I'm thinking I'm gonna tell her I just wanna hang out with my boys and kinda blow her off so she'll feel like she has to do something to keep my attention. If I do decide to have her over I'm just gonna play it kool and not do anything sexual unless she initiates it and I get what I want..

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You need to be punishing her more. You sound like you're being to nice to her for not doing what you want. She pulls her hand away, well then punish her! Stop giving her attention, ignore HER wants and needs and then she'll fulfill yours in order to get hers fulfilled. Its the same thing as early game when a girl does something bad in a club, you turn your back to her partially so that she fights to get you back.

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