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i am 6'1" and currently weigh 215. i came into college over a year ago at 205 then went a little over 240 at the end of the year (yeah i know... i did the freshman 15... twice). anyway... over the summer and this year so far, i have been eating a little better and walking everywhere which has cut my weight down a bit. also i am paying for food and for 1 1/2 weeks i had no food so the only thing i ate during that time period was a box of crutons and a small box of cereal (w/o milk because i couldnt afford it lol). anyway... i have some money now but what is a good meal plan and good exercise i should do regularly to shed the pounds?
Lucid, do the one meal a day plan.. Basically this is whatever you want to eat once per day. Like breakfast, have at it. That's your one meal so make it a good one. Same for lunch/dinner.

With a walking, basketball or running program depending upon your interests..

The rest of the day eat lite, or snack on low cal or unprocessed foods. Celery, carrots, bananas, nuts, cereal, salad, are all great meal substitutes. And take a multi vitamin daily.

You should also do some upper body routine. Push ups and pull ups are very good and require very little equipment and no gym membership, etc...

A couple of very good push up products on the market..

The perfect push up, the push up pro, and the strength builder (do a Google search to find them). And they don't cost an arm an a leg.

It's possible to find a pull up bar on most campuses, etc.. or buy a door mounted one. If you can't do many pull ups at your current weight, latex bands are available that can help you do pull ups (pm me if interested and I'll steer you in the right direction).

You can do crunches for ab work if desired, or buy an ab board, etc..

A few minutes a week of upper body work, and an hour or two of cardio work and a decent diet can provide incredible benefits and can literally reshape or tone your body to a very acceptable level by this spring.
thanks! i will do this and get back to you how it goes. which vitamins should i get? like are there specific ones you have in mind or do any work the same?


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thanks! i will do this and get back to you how it goes. which vitamins should i get? like are there specific ones you have in mind or do any work the same?
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Been taking them for years.. They're chewable and come in decent flavors, so they're sort of like an after meal snack. I used to get them at Costco, but now just order them over the net from Costco if you're not a member or not nearby.. Their as cheap as anything out there, are USP certified and don't have iron which, if you're a male, you don't need anyway if you eat meat (too much iron in your diet isn't a good thing).

Chew one a day.. Although you can take two occasionally as well if your sick, etc... Since they're also made for children most of the fat soluble vitamins are in the 50% RDA range..

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I'm like 5'10 and weigh about 123-125. I row so they keep us in pretty good shape. Run a few miles a day, row for a few hours or if the weather is bad they toss us on rowing machines. In addition to this, I bike everywhere I go. (School doesn't give me a bus and I live FAR from my HS) So, my legs are built, but, during the off seasons I hit the gym and do arms/ab workouts. I try to eat as healthy as possible. i.e no fastfood/limited amounts of junk ect.

Mostly though, I highly suggest running. It burns fat, gets your legs in shape and is really good for you. Also, working out abs is good too. What women doesn't love a 6 pack?


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Lucid, do the one meal a day plan.. Basically this is whatever you want to eat once per day. Like breakfast, have at it. That's your one meal so make it a good one. Same for lunch/dinner.

With a walking, basketball or running program depending upon your interests..

The rest of the day eat lite, or snack on low cal or unprocessed foods. Celery, carrots, bananas, nuts, cereal, salad, are all great meal substitutes. And take a multi vitamin daily.
Oh man, that is as close to a "lose lean muscle mass quick" diet as I can think of.

When you only eat one decent meal a day, loaded with 70-80% of your daily value in carbs, protein, calories, your body will 1) not be able to properly digest most of that and 2) will then focus on storing and turning what it can into fat.

Why? Because this is an evolutionary trait designed to help early humans survive long periods of time with little or no food---when you gorge yourself, your body interprets that as a sign that there will be hard times ahead, so it stores fat in preparation for starvation.

Meanwhile, because you only ate that one real meal that day, your body will quietly eat away at muscle tissue because you're denying it exactly what it needs: protein. Yes, your body will break down your lean mass to fuel itself before it ever thinks about touching the fat in this case. Basically, you're starving your body, and it's doing what it's been evolutionarily programmed to do to protect itself.

Alright, so enough with the criticizing. What should you do, you ask? Eat 6 meals a day, spaced evenly so that you eat them every two to three hours. That's right. Now I don't mean go crazy and eat whatever you like and whenever. You still have to eat healthy. But now, because you're spacing your meals out evenly throughout the day, your body will 1)digest what you eat and absorb the nutrients it needs much more easily, providing you with constant energy (you'll hardly ever feel a crash or low), and 2) delay or even forgo fat storage from the constant supply of fuel.

Most people who are on the 6 meal plan eat 3 squares---bkfst/lunch/dinner---with 3 mini-meals spaced in between (usually protein bars/shakes). In fact, the only real challenge here is the discipline to eat on time.

Many people probably have never heard of this concept, so I'm expecting some heat/flak on this post. But before you bash, google the idea and do some basic research into it. It's actually got very sound scientific research behind it, and has helped propel some of the meal replacement smoothies/bars you see on TV.


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ok here is what i was thinking:

i can do the six meals a day and after dinner each day i can take a vitamin. this will give me nutrients and energy. i will make sure to cut down on the carbs and use wheat bread when i have sandwiches. i am thinking about keeping a journal of how many carbs a day i eat and then try to burn most of them off every day by simply just walking everywhere and running a few miles a day. it will be hard but lately i have been eating less crap and running more so it shouldnt be too hard for me to go into it. i'm not sure if i still have gym membership so maybe i will just run over there and see.

when it comes to muscle, i am not too worried about that. i have been an athlete my whole life up until 3 years ago. thats when i started packing on the weight. i only just recently added more pounds since since eating at the dorm's cafeteria last year. i pretty much have enough muscle under my fat right now to satisfy me so i dont think i want to do crunches because it will just make my stomach bigger. i will focus on my arms and chest though so it makes my stomach look more proportionate because i have a wide frame.

do any of you know a good way to get rid of love handles?

what i have going for me:

-a job to afford healthy food
-taking this quarter off at school so i have more time to devote to myself
-i can learn too cook which is attractive to women
-i live within a mile of anything i need so walking everywhere wont be a big deal and i can save money on gas

what i have going against me:

-my new job is working at Wendy's. it is soooo tempting to eat their crap all day. i looked at the nutritional facts there and 5 piece chicken nuggets are 550 carbs (calories? i get them confused lol).
-free soda at my work and it gets hot and i get thirsty :/
-i usually work from 7pm-3am so i would have to run in the middle of the day when it is hot
-usually work 8 hours in a row so fitting in two or three meals may be difficult with one lunch break

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let me know what you think of my game plan and if it looks pretty good i will start asap. i plan on sticking to my diet and exercise all the way to march and see where it takes me. i will post you guys to show you where i am and how it is working. i will start tomorrow with this plan unless you guys have any other ideas or hints to help me out or reform my plan.

thanks again to you guys helping out with this health section. this information is valuable to me and i will cherish it


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Lucid, do the one meal a day plan.. Basically this is whatever you want to eat once per day. Like breakfast, have at it. That's your one meal so make it a good one. Same for lunch/dinner.

With a walking, basketball or running program depending upon your interests..

The rest of the day eat lite, or snack on low cal or unprocessed foods. Celery, carrots, bananas, nuts, cereal, salad, are all great meal substitutes. And take a multi vitamin daily.
Oh man, that is as close to a "lose lean muscle mass quick" diet as I can think of.

When you only eat one decent meal a day, loaded with 70-80% of your daily value in carbs, protein, calories, your body will 1) not be able to properly digest most of that and 2) will then focus on storing and turning what it can into fat.

Why? Because this is an evolutionary trait designed to help early humans survive long periods of time with little or no food---when you gorge yourself, your body interprets that as a sign that there will be hard times ahead, so it stores fat in preparation for starvation.

Meanwhile, because you only ate that one real meal that day, your body will quietly eat away at muscle tissue because you're denying it exactly what it needs: protein. Yes, your body will break down your lean mass to fuel itself before it ever thinks about touching the fat in this case. Basically, you're starving your body, and it's doing what it's been evolutionarily programmed to do to protect itself.

Alright, so enough with the criticizing. What should you do, you ask? Eat 6 meals a day, spaced evenly so that you eat them every two to three hours. That's right. Now I don't mean go crazy and eat whatever you like and whenever. You still have to eat healthy. But now, because you're spacing your meals out evenly throughout the day, your body will 1)digest what you eat and absorb the nutrients it needs much more easily, providing you with constant energy (you'll hardly ever feel a crash or low), and 2) delay or even forgo fat storage from the constant supply of fuel.

Most people who are on the 6 meal plan eat 3 squares---bkfst/lunch/dinner---with 3 mini-meals spaced in between (usually protein bars/shakes). In fact, the only real challenge here is the discipline to eat on time.

Many people probably have never heard of this concept, so I'm expecting some heat/flak on this post. But before you bash, google the idea and do some basic research into it. It's actually got very sound scientific research behind it, and has helped propel some of the meal replacement smoothies/bars you see on TV.
Well I'm sure the U.S. Marines would be very interested in your nutrition advice. Or perhaps not. :lol:

Take a look at my icon again..

I'm not fat and have plenty of muscle.. I'm 6'0, 185 lbs. and proportional. I'm stay about 10 lbs. over my perfect clinical weight for aesthetic purposes.

Weight loss and body toning is nothing more than calories in, calories out, along with a sensible exercise plan.

The beauty behind one good meal a day, is it's consistent with the majority of human evolutionary history. If you feel you're not getting enough protein for muscle growth (which is ridiculous) it's quite simple to supplement your diet with peanut butter, protein shakes as your daily snacks, etc..

Or if you're some sort of obsessive body building type you might try a different approach, like you suggest..

I would venture that most here on this forum are interested in getting the maximum benefit for the least time and effort. Rather than spending countless hours obsessing about their bodies and their diets..:lol:

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do any of you know a good way to get rid of love handles?
Diet and exercise, specifically cardio.

For example, ditch the job at Wendy's and get a job building houses, etc.. Buy you a bicycle and ride everywhere (except on dates). :lol:

Other than that you'll have to cut your calories significantly, and exercise.
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what i have going for me:

-a job to afford healthy food
-taking this quarter off at school so i have more time to devote to myself
-i can learn too cook which is attractive to women
-i live within a mile of anything i need so walking everywhere wont be a big deal and i can save money on gas

what i have going against me:

-my new job is working at Wendy's. it is soooo tempting to eat their crap all day. i looked at the nutritional facts there and 5 piece chicken nuggets are 550 carbs (calories? i get them confused lol).
-free soda at my work and it gets hot and i get thirsty :/
-i usually work from 7pm-3am so i would have to run in the middle of the day when it is hot
-usually work 8 hours in a row so fitting in two or three meals may be difficult with one lunch break

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let me know what you think of my game plan and if it looks pretty good i will start asap. i plan on sticking to my diet and exercise all the way to march and see where it takes me. i will post you guys to show you where i am and how it is working. i will start tomorrow with this plan unless you guys have any other ideas or hints to help me out or reform my plan.

thanks again to you guys helping out with this health section. this information is valuable to me and i will cherish it


Get off the soda..

Drink water instead.. Add lemon if you like some taste.

If you eat at Wendy's you got two choices. Eat a salad and treat it as a snack, or your meal is your one meal per day.

Buy salad to eat at home.. Add fresh shrimp, meatballs, canned chicken, pouched tuna, etc.. You can also eat rice, with soy sauce and some sort of meat. Do this at least a few times a week.

Buy fresh grapes, and other fruits and fresh vegetables as munchies..

I still say it doesn't matter where you are getting your calories. If you want to lose weight consume less of them. If you want to gain weight add more of them.

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ok here is what i was thinking:


do any of you know a good way to get rid of love handles?
Diet and exercise, specifically cardio.

For example, ditch the job at Wendy's and get a job building houses, etc.. Buy you a bicycle and ride everywhere (except on dates). :lol:

Other than that you'll have to cut your calories significantly, and exercise.
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what i have going for me:

-a job to afford healthy food
-taking this quarter off at school so i have more time to devote to myself
-i can learn too cook which is attractive to women
-i live within a mile of anything i need so walking everywhere wont be a big deal and i can save money on gas

what i have going against me:

-my new job is working at Wendy's. it is soooo tempting to eat their crap all day. i looked at the nutritional facts there and 5 piece chicken nuggets are 550 carbs (calories? i get them confused lol).
-free soda at my work and it gets hot and i get thirsty :/
-i usually work from 7pm-3am so i would have to run in the middle of the day when it is hot
-usually work 8 hours in a row so fitting in two or three meals may be difficult with one lunch break

----------------------------------------------------------------------

let me know what you think of my game plan and if it looks pretty good i will start asap. i plan on sticking to my diet and exercise all the way to march and see where it takes me. i will post you guys to show you where i am and how it is working. i will start tomorrow with this plan unless you guys have any other ideas or hints to help me out or reform my plan.

thanks again to you guys helping out with this health section. this information is valuable to me and i will cherish it


Get off the soda..

Drink water instead.. Add lemon if you like some taste.

If you eat at Wendy's you got two choices. Eat a salad and treat it as a snack, or your meal is your one meal per day.

Buy salad to eat at home.. Add fresh shrimp, meatballs, canned chicken, pouched tuna, etc.. You can also eat rice, with soy sauce and some sort of meat. Do this at least a few times a week.

Buy fresh grapes, and other fruits and fresh vegetables as munchies..

I still say it doesn't matter where you are getting your calories. If you want to lose weight consume less of them. If you want to gain weight add more of them.
thanks for the quick reply man. i guess by looking at your icon that the proof is in the pudding. i am thinking of doing the one meal a day diet because i can mold it to my lifestyle and it is more economically practical for me. i am going to stick with a workout journal because i tend to do things better when i write them down and plan them out. anyway... i will go until march and post you guys on my status. thanks again for the help. hopefully it works out as well as i think it will


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thanks for the quick reply man. i guess by looking at your icon that the proof is in the pudding. i am thinking of doing the one meal a day diet because i can mold it to my lifestyle and it is more economically practical for me. i am going to stick with a workout journal because i tend to do things better when i write them down and plan them out. anyway... i will go until march and post you guys on my status. thanks again for the help. hopefully it works out as well as i think it will
No problem..

You can of course alter your one meal to include any variety from the major food groups that you find to your liking. If you want low carb, high protein, more vege's, etc..

If you don't have one, buy a tape measure and a scale. Weigh yourself weekly.

Go to this web page and put in your wrist measurement. It will give you some ballpark numbers as to how you can achieve better symmetry. Of course it will quite difficult for you to get perfect measurements everywhere due to a number of factors including heredity, modern life, diet, etc.. But having a rough idea of what is considered ideal symmetry is helpful and a goal you can work towards. Trust me, if you did achieve this degree of symmetry, or anything close to it you wont have any trouble attracting plenty of women. :lol:

http://www.sandowmuseum.com/ideal.html

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Look guys, if you're going out tonight, it wouldn't hurt at all to have saqchek with you.. :lol: :lol:

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What i do is

Work out with the right form and schedule
Eat 6 small-medium meals a day
sleep for at least 7 hours

I weigh a hefty 140 lbs. at 5'11. I used to weigh 130 a year back.

I also recommend you guys not just working out your abs and biceps/triceps. If you want to properly develop definition, then you ought to work out all the muscles with the three major compound exercises. Also taking vitamins is not what I do, I have 3 protein shakes a day. If you want to know more...just msg me.

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What i do is

Work out with the right form and schedule
Eat 6 small-medium meals a day
sleep for at least 7 hours

I weigh a hefty 140 lbs. at 5'11. I used to weigh 130 a year back.

I also recommend you guys not just working out your abs and biceps/triceps. If you want to properly develop definition, then you ought to work out all the muscles with the three major compound exercises. Also taking vitamins is not what I do, I have 3 protein shakes a day. If you want to know more...just msg me.
It seems I'm in the same boat as you. I'm 150 at 6'1.

I was never the one to eat much during the day and now I'm trying
to eat 5-6 times a day. I'm not used to that. :)

At this point I would much rather have to lose weight than gain it. I
have to seriously schedule my meals to get my 3000+ calories per day.

And it's not so much eating 6 times a day as it is averaging 500cal per meal.


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Develop your chests and arms guys. No better way than with simple push ups you can do in the comfort and privacy of your own home.
False, this isn't even close to the best way to produce mass. Big compound lifts, and eating in a calorie surplus is the best way.
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Lucid, do the one meal a day plan.. Basically this is whatever you want to eat once per day. Like breakfast, have at it. That's your one meal so make it a good one. Same for lunch/dinner.
Terrible advice right here. Food should be taken in frequently in smaller portions for the reasons Road2alpha stated.
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I'm not fat and have plenty of muscle.. I'm 6'0, 185 lbs. and proportional. I'm stay about 10 lbs. over my perfect clinical weight for aesthetic purposes.
By perfect clinical weight, do you mean BMI?
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If you feel you're not getting enough protein for muscle growth (which is ridiculous) it's quite simple to supplement your diet with peanut butter, protein shakes as your daily snacks, etc..
Peanut butter would be a very inefficient way to get extra protein into one's diet. Saying that, it's still a good source of EFA's, which almost everyone lacks in their diet
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I still say it doesn't matter where you are getting your calories. If you want to lose weight consume less of them. If you want to gain weight add more of them.
500 cals from a cheeseburger are equal to 500 cals from chicken breast?





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