Ok actually I don't use POF, I tried it and to me I like OK cupid alot more. Anyways, I heard it called that which for me is a good obsevation of online dating. I live in chicago. On top of that I am willing to drive to all the suburbs around it. Yet on okcupid I cannot find hot chicks on there. I honestly think I could nail 10s but all I see is HB5-7s. I am thinking of using facebook but I dont have a attractive Facebook, I am building it up.

when I was doing the online thing, the only really solid luck I had was eharmony and that money sooooo.

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Idk, honestly a 10 is out of my league. I rarely see a ten anywhere, but on tv. The hottest i've seen online is a high 8 to maybe a nine:

Totally agree about pof. The site is so fuckin poorly designed and at least in my area the selection sucks. Or it's my age group. I'm 31 so I rarely deal with girls who are like 18-22. I don't use the apps though. Also, I got tons of girls who selected they want to meet me. I'd message them, then nothing. Gets old.

It's all about what you like, but by my standards, every hard 10 I've seen online (less than a dozen) has had some kind of crazy shit going on, sometimes you can tell from their photos. I've also encountered the 'religious 10'. It's kind of interesting to look at the profile of 9's/10's. Some of them treat their profile like a blog or mailing list/fan club.

The biggest problem with pof, is there are too many AFC guys, telling hb 5-7 how good looking they are. They get inflated, and think it's girly heaven, cuz at a club no half decent guy wants more than sex while looking through his beer goggles.

These type of women love pof! Because for once in there fat booty life, they get genuine compliments from afc's that would never approach a woman in real life. I love yo message these chicks! When they respond with an hb 8-9 shit test, like comment: "oh shit, hold on, I let my buddy borrow my beer goggles tonight...".


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POF is probably a waste of time for most guys, or any online dating site for that matter. Unless you're good looking. Just the other day I sent an email to a girl, and then sent the same email again but with a fake profile with a guy who is better looking and she responded! She acknowledged she got the same email, but didn't seem to care. If you're good looking you can get away with a lot.

^^ Totally disagree. While I'll grant that looks help online (which, let's be honest, is the whole reason we're dating online in the first place- it's a grocery store of women whose pics we can look at and judge, physically, in rapid fire) it's definitely pretty easy to consistently pull 7's and 8's. I'm not the best looker (though I'm also not bad by any means) and I've fallen on my face a few times in terms of online game, but lately I've been on fire.

I'm gonna guess that the majority of guys who are failing with online dating are either going after the absolute cream of the crop (HB 9's+, who often times are fake accounts to begin with!) are sending messages that are WAY overly cocky and not funny and not original (this one I think is HUGE! Judging by a ton of chat logs I've read here, a lot of guys just come off sounding childish and stupid) or their profiles/pics don't match up. If you're stern faced and dressed in a tux and then talk about how much you love to kick back and relax, you're creating a contradiction. Everything needs to flow together- the pictures should be validation of the story you tell in your description.

It definitely takes practice, too. I've messaged over 400 chicks (ranging from about 6-HB9) and of that 400, I've actually met up with about 30. It's definitely a volume game and I feel like coming up with an original message that doesn't sound totally canned is the best way to reach the most women with the best results.

I agree with you. It just sometimes its frustrating. You send what you think is a good opener, but get no reply. Meanwhile, the fake/recon profile I created, I can come off as a chauvinist pig and still get women wanting to meet.

If you are average or below average looking. You can make yourself more attractive by putting up pictures that can make you seem more attractive. But I think women can be just like men and judge by pictures first. So being an attractive man gives you an edge. But the average guy maybe can be successful if he puts in the work.

I myself had success with POF and OkCupid about 2 or 3 years ago. Met around 20 women, probably got another 20+ numbers. Didn't meet all of them because they lived too far, or they/I lost interest etc. And I pretty much copy and pasted my messages, had a system going lol. I would take some of David DeAngelo's material and tweak it, it worked then. But not really anymore as more & more guys are using the same lines. Now you have David DeAngelo advertising on POF, so it's no longer a 'secret'. And women are getting wise to the copy/paste messages. It's vital to mention something from their profile.

Your very much wrong. Most guys on online dating sites are NOT PUA's. Most guys on online dating sites are for the most part sending one sentence messages usually along the lines of "Wus up". They pretty much spam this to every girl they find mildly attractive. So when you take that into account a lot of times girls go on what ever pic they see as it is the first thing they see and/or look for as well. As far as the guys on here fail, they fail because they don't know how to market themselves online. Yes market themselves as when it comes to online dating its really about marketing your self.

Most probably because the way they read it it comes off as alpha like and is a lot more appealing to them.
When such messages make the rounds and girls start to get the same message over and over again, of course they will wise up and not reply to such messages.
Not really. You don't need to mention anything from their profile if you don't have too. All you need to do is to send them a message that will encourage them to reply back. As I mention to Kevmann, online dating is all about marketing.

I don't know. If I send the typical "hey sexy" or something perverted, I wouldn't get a reply. But if a good looking guy sent it, he has better chance at a response. That's why sometimes I think it doesn't matter what you write because all they do is look at the pictures. Not like the real world where you can actually swoon a girl no matter how you look.

online dating is sorry lookin 2 me. and girls that are on DATING SITES are most likly 2 be behind dat screen for a reason, so dat shyt does nt surprize me i dont fukk wit that pussy lookn shyt. 2 desperate

I highly disagree. I've met some very good female friends, and a few very attractive women online.


But back to the reason I poped in real quick. Fucking screw pof guys! I decided to try OkayCupid, and it's like moving from the gutter to Beverly Hills.

I've sent about 5 messages out. Met one very attractive lady. Then another that is good looking, and has a double major from Stanford. The other messages I have not even looked at yet. I've been getting a way better response rate, engaging in great conversation with better looking women.

Just one tip though: make sure your grammar and punctuation are pretty tight. Most profiles on Cupid are from educated women. Yes, these women will probably catch on to cut and paste jobs, too.

They do look at the pictures, but it also matters what you write. Yes a good looking guy can generally get away with more when it comes sending rude messages at the same time tho if he relies on his looks to much he ain't going to go that far with the girl unless all he is aiming for is a one night stand. Some to keep in mind tho when it comes to online dating sites most people are superficial and such become picky, especially with girls, with who they reply back to.
Looks matter as well in the real world but they are not everything.