Gave Apocalypse Opener a try. Result: Me Tarzan. She Jane.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:18 am 
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*EDIT* Got a bit giddy and what I did was the Apocalypse Opener, not Shock & Awe. Duurrrrr.*

Was out this Saturday night, me and my mate rolling in like we were having the greatest time ever,,,boom pow straight in with chatting to people around the bar.
Dancefloor has about 10 HBs of varying quality and them a load of guys stood round the outside watching on, beers up to their chests etc etc.

Fuck it, me and my mate slide right into the mixer and have ourselves a little dance, not explicitly checking anybody out to begin with, then start to pop a few teasing looks out. AFter 5 minutes, it was like dominoes, we'd danced with pretty much all the girls and the territory was marked.
I'll tell you one thing: up until reading up on the whole PUA thing I never noticed the AFC style behaviour - all the guys trying too hard to be cool stood round the outside were broken men...couldnt beleive that we'd just bowled in and weren't just crawling all over the women, like they would. Compounded when the women started to come to us hahaha.

Now, enter the AMOGS. Obviously seeing it as an affront they started to try and muscle in (hilarious as my mate is well, a bodybuilding fanatic personal trainer and I'm over 6ft) - rather than pussy out like AFCs or DLV by getting drawn into it, we just basically moonwalked and span around them to an area about two feet away. The look on the guys face when the women turned to face us, thus turning their back on the AMOGS was priceless. They didnt bother us after that.

Danced with a few more chicks, some guys were basically rolling in and slapping us high fives, social proof was pretty much established.

I believed social proof as a concept but thats the first time I've seen in confirmed in the field - guys were stopping to let us past on stairs, sidling over at the bar - ridiculous. I'll stress here that at no point were we being aggressive or anything like that, we'd just set our frame to such a degree that it was probs a little intimidating.

So I'm having a good time, confidence is high I see this HB8 throwing some IOIs and she's slightly away from here friends feet pointed toward me - I'd seen her earlier and she was pretty vocal, defo the leader of her pack.
*PING* I think lets try an Apocalypse, never used it before.
I slide up and here goes:

Me: Hey, hows it's going?
HB8: Yeah good
Me: What you up too later
HB8: Dunno, why?
Me: Wanna come home with me? (asked as if I was asking if she wanted a crisp)

BOOM. POW. ZZAP.

Me Tarzan. She Jane.

The eyes man, the eyes. She was stunned. Speechless, came over all shy, all that vocalness gone.

I wait. Some triangle gazing. 30 seconds pass.

HB8: Yeah, I do.

However the story goes a bit sour here, I tell her to wait while I go see how my man is getting on and some chump has cowardly headbutted him as he left the toliets, literally as soon as he opened the door this guy has been waiting and butted, totally off guard - he's ok but a little pissed off, naturally - turns out some jealous dude had taken exception to his girlfriend checking out my mate (god's honest truth he's a married man and he literally did nothing, I was the one leading all the moves etc)
I go back #close the HB8 (just give her my phone and nod) and me and my mate bounce - the SPAM around my man wasn't a positive one.

So for my first night out following some PUA study I learned a lot.

1. Establish social proof and it becomes easy, just keep an eye for jealous fucks and have your back covered.
2. The Apocalypse (and Shock & Awe) is shit that every dude needs in his locker to throw out - indirect game is tres useful but with enough social proof and confidence, it can be eschewed in favour of some direct game.
3. Don't pussyfoot about hangin around the sidelines, just bust on in.

My man went home, I decide to do some solo sarging in another club. Fuck me, I learned a lot from that too, but thats for another post!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:55 am 
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That was a good, interesting read. When I hit 18, I shall remember this one story and use it to my advantage.

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haha loved it! cant wait to hear your next S&A attempt!

Do you think you could have pulled any other girls using the same sort of line?
did u have a back up plan if she said no or got embarrassed or something?

Anything else to add for the whole experience?


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Congrats mate, very nice


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Honestly, the ONLY reason I coulda pulled that shit out of the bag (cos im pretty much a newbie to all this) was hitting that dance floor while everyone else was concerned about looking tough. I'm no fucking MJ but Dance Floor game is, probably THE purest game there is...

No words, just body language, eye contact, kino to fuck - its important that we were not clowning - we were generally cutting a rug - and from there we got the all important social proof - no aggressiveness (on our part), no AFC standing and staring. there was one dude, good looking, pretty built, didnt dress badly at all. ZERO game. He basically just stood on the dance floor, beer up to his chest, staring out the women

I digress.
Without dance floor game, without social proof, without looking like we were the best guys in the world at hanging out and having a good time going Shock & Awe would maybe not have worked, I dunno - if my frame was still in check it might have...but i'd hit some fucking Zen moment whereby I knew it was on, not in a rapey, weirdo way, just a sense that its on with the full blown all out truth that I literally couldnt have cared if I'd got blown out, there was a club full of other ladies ahahaha...would it have worked on some of the others?? Dunno, but my spider sense had this girl pegged, body language, where she was stood, she was just blatantly looking to be approached. It kinda all fell into place. Enter The Dragon ahahhaha

Its odd. Indirect game is great and Its taught me a lot, if only to get your inner game straight. If you can get your inner game TIGHT, then I would argue that going Direct is gonna work out better than indirect.

In fact: Inner Game is a must - get that shit together and I think the world starts to become a bit more compliant...

For me: MM taught me the concepts and led to building inner game. Mystery gets a little bit of flak, but as a starting point its excellent IMHO, sure some of the canned material has probs been done to death, but once the CONCEPT has been learned, make your own..

I mean to be knocking off smoking hot HB10s week in week out your inner game is going to have to be GODLIKE, that's maybe where some subtle indirect approach could work, then change up. Or maybe you just dont give a fuck and go all out for the fucking WIN hahaha

I suppose I'm looking to be adaptable - there's game for all situations - determine which one is gonna work 'best' in any given situation.

Thanks for reading and replying, properly appreciated!


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Aplause :D nice one, really enjoyed your reading. Keep it updating ;)

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hey man, great post. gotta try this one tmrw night at the club. only one question, how do you think the apoc tactic would work in a smaller town with only 1 or 2 good bars?


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hey man, great post. gotta try this one tmrw night at the club. only one question, how do you think the apoc tactic would work in a smaller town with only 1 or 2 good bars?
Shouldnt be an issue - when you're dropping the opener, you are usually being discreet with it and targeting the lone wolf types, or the HBs who are standing just away from their friends a little.
If it doesn't work out they won't say a thing to anybody else, as it'll make them look like sluts hahaha...In a smaller type place I'd be a bit judicious in its use. WOuldn't go and A-Bomb everyone in both venues cos that'd look a bit rapey ahahaha Cheers!


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haha thanks man


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