Hi guys. Just a question I have been thinking of.
Where the heck did most of us got everything wrong? I mean, all our AFC perceptions about how to gain a woman's heart and that we need to be Mr.Nice and soo polite, asexual and educated. Shit, is it from cheesy songs? fairy tales? soap operas? freaking Shakespeare? It seems that most guy's "default" beliefs about the nature of relationships, dating, mating and stuff are just plain wrong. How so?


Any comments will be appreciated.

well, we have been programed by our parents, guardians, media and society in general to be feminist.

The other reason is because women have the purchasing power, they control over 80% of the market.

Think about it, 53% of books sold here in the US (for example) are novels in which the majority of readers are women and the rest like religious books are wildly bought by women.

So the media and business will have to be feminists to some extent to stay in business, that's why we got all f**k up.

The problem is when we were young we had no balls to choose what is right and wrong, we just followed the crowd, we followed the media or what our mothers, sisters etc told us.

Few men had the previllage to learn the truth when they were young.

The problem is, those who learn the truth when they were young they don't know what it means to have NO BALLS around women because for they it comes natural (uncounscious) to meet and talk to women so they usually don't understant why some men just can't do it, they think something is wrong with them.


Thank God we have internet today that some of us who have learned the game, at least, can explain to those who still need to get their s**t together.

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Women are always smaller, softer and vunerable than us. Why scared of them?

I agree, the media has made men feel ashamed of their sexuallity. More then 90% of men think that showing their sexuality in front of a woman is a turn off. The opposite is true. (counter intuitive) Women have been pushing their equality issue too damn far in my oppinion. They may now be able to get careers and not choose to have a family if they don't want to, but they will ALWAYS need us. Genetically their subconscious mind still looks for a masculine,sexual man to take care of them, protect them, and to satisfy their sexual desires. This is their subconscious mind, that they don't pay attention to. Conciously they want a friendly, polite, thoughful, emotional, weak man that takes care of her kids, while she is out working at her job. This man that they think of is the opposite of what they really want. This is probably why 1 out of 3 women had a lesbian fantasy at one point in their life, because what their concious mind described are characteristics of a woman not a man. This my friend is why we don't understand women, and why so many of us grow up with a culturally fucked mind.

The reason why most of the poeples act the way you describe it is because the dont want to be different from the others. Being different is having your life more complicated because each day you have to focus on your lifestyle. Normal peoples dont have to care about that because the ''perfect life'' had already been written and they just have to follow the pre-written path. When someone hear about PUA's they are shocked, they are like'' OMG this is so bad'' and the reason why they react like this is because they are jealous about PUA's who had the guts to adapt their everyday lifestyle in order to seduce woman. Being a PUA is a dayly thrill for the peoples who are in it but making the jump from the normal life to the alpha-male life scares peoples so instead of doing the jump they just desagree this way of thinking.

I think this is why most of the peoples stays to the ''old-non-working-techniques-of-the-Mr-Nice-Guy'' for their pick-ups trials, thing that doesn't work only because girls ear that shit all day long and that does not impress them at all. being different, that is what impresses woman and all the precess begins in the head. the first thing everybody should say or do prior to every thing is telling to themselves: I am going to be a PUA and I will devote myself at a 100% in that.

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The Game is like a rubic cube
Lots may try but few may succeed

I agree with all of you, for ages and generations we couldn't understand women's behavior always so hard to understand the whys the hows etc... It was like almost impossible to decode such intriguing and mysterious speciment called woman. until Now in Our community finally understand all the "w" questions and have the answers before hand... remember this movie of Mel gibson where he could Hear what women had inside their heads? he HAD the POWER!!! I Forgot the title of this movie"what women want" or some shit like that.

Peace Brothers!

you got the name corect

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The Game is like a rubic cube
Lots may try but few may succeed

well my mom beat me.
she told me if i died that would make her happy.
i believed her.
and when my parents fought my mom made me believe it was my fault.
then she showed me love.

im not kidding...
maybe that fucked me up?
im sure every1 has some kind of childhood thing that changed them.

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"Man is the pupil, pain is his teacher."

Do I hear just a little bitterness there? A touch of resentment, perhaps?

It may not be the classy thing to do, but I can't ignore this.

There is a difference between being assertive and being aggressive. There is a difference between dominating a situation, which can be very attractive if it is done well (read 'The Game') and trying to dominate a person. Many of you sound aggressive - angry at women, not confident in your interactions with them. Of course, you would know your own feelings towards women better than I do - it's up to you to decide whether or not it's anger that's driving you. But if this is the attitude you guys display when you're sarging, I hope that you don't have much luck. You don't deserve it.

There is nothing attractive about anger. I've been approached by men who seemed threatening to me. There was nothing sexy about it. Funny thing is, I've always been able to turn the situation around and dominate them in return, whether I had to take their hands off my ass and stare them down, or yell in their face until they backed off. How did I manage that? How can a "smaller, softer, more vulnerable" woman force a man to back down when he seemed so aggressive at first? Because he's not confident. Not really. Aggression is what he has instead of confidence. It's a substitute, and when it's confronted with real confidence it usually melts away.

From the way you guys talk, I don't think you want a female opinion. Just in case there's someone who does, here is what I find sexy. My boyfriend is a PUA. I wanted him because he was friendly, honest, interesting, sexual and confident (and also pretty). He is no doormat, but he's never expected me to be a doormat either. I was attracted, and I didn't feel threatened, so I was completely comfortable with the idea of sex with him.

Of course, not everyone shares my tastes. For example, there are men who are attracted to unaffectionate, mean women. For whatever reason, they are looking for abuse. Likewise, there are woman attracted to angry, aggressive men. They are looking for abuse. So let's say you guys act as mad as you sound on this forum. Let's say you attract one of these women who wants to be put down. Well, good for you. Do you feel like a big important man now? Need a Hummer to go along with that little complex?

How about we drop the "big cojones" act? In fact, why don't we drop all the acts - that submissive, asexual act that Dorian was talking about, as well as the aggressive, angry caveman bullshit? Pickup is about showing a woman the best of you, so she wants to sleep with you based on your own qualities (re: The Game). If you're confident and interesting, you will attract women - even "10s" - who are confident and interesting. And even if all you're looking for is a one-night stand ... well, confident women are damn good in bed.

- Mocha

P.S. Moto. You might want to consider changing your signature. It only shows that you are, actually, very scared of women.

P.S.S. Hey, Moto. Boo! ... aww, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have done that to you.

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"Insanity: doing something over and over again and expecting different results." -Einstein

Like anything, we probably learn most of it from our parents. Growing up, you learn to act exactly like your Dad does to your Mum. Except that's how to act in a stale long-term relationship with children, which is about as far as you can get from how to act when first meeting a woman...

First of all, well spoken Mocha..

I think the point some ppl are trying to make is that the image mothers project to their sons of how a man should act is based on what they think they should be attracted to..
Not what actually would attract them.

Its a process of unlearning some stuff and not taking everything so serious.

On a sidenote: If you get game and resent women chances are you will never be happy. Learn to enjoy women before even trying to sarge.

Dont know if this made much sense.. I'm a little drunk..

Cartoons growing up watching superman and the rest of the heroes saving the damsel in distress and disney movies didnt help much either

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"RESPECT THE COCK AND TAME THE CUNT"

Also you are attracted to your own mother!

Well you are most attracted to women who convey the same personality your mother, something to do with wanting to fix her blah blah...

But anyway think of the girls you like and compare their personality to your mother...ewwwwwww

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I love it

An economists perspective- very intriguing!

Mocha,

Not to blow you out of the water entirely, but you have WAY too many presuppositions in your argument. i. e. Your forgetting the fact that this forum is designed for PUAs/AFCs alike to channel their frustrations where they can in fact learn from each other. To distinguish what works from what doesn't work.

Either way, I think you are overestimating the people's aggressive attitudes towards women . .

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The romantic approach is very popular in media/films/novels because they follow the structure of myths. Myths are the stories humanity has been telling over and over with mild variations since the dawn of time. In short, myths convey "stuff that we need to hear, time and again".

In my opinion, C+F only works because of our times, because of the rules of modern society in which women now take charge of their lives, choices and destiny (more of a "male" role, if you will). Because women grow up in this very competitive environment, competing between themselves and with men, a bit of this now affects how they choose to love.

C+F would never have worked in the 1800s or early 1900s. However, the films will always portray the "good guy" as the right way of behaving, because if it weren't for the way society evolved, it would probably be the "right" way to approach someone. And that's because all sotries you read or see are based on ageless myths.

Of course, "bad boys" exist on film but are a minority compared to the typical romantic hero. And even then, I never saw a bad boy being more successful with women than a "nice guy" in the same movie.

mocha hit it as far as what, i think in general, women want... maybe this is still the AFC in me, but i feel like women genuinely want a nice guy....they don't want to be with an asshole, people just tend to confuse being a jerk with being confident.. i think if you're a nice guy with confidence, rock solid confidence, you won't be able to keep the women off ya