Well, i got some LMR last night, and i didn't know how to respond. so ill just give you guys the summary. Any advice on what i could have changed, or how i should handle it from here would be nice. lol

So i have this girl isolated in the bedroom. I make a move and this is what follows

hb: oh no(she stops kissing me)

Me:what?

hb: i can't believe this

me:yeah, i know (i go back in)
we make out some more, and i get her on top of me in her bra and panties.

hb: its complicated(she stops again)

me:no it isn't (we start going at it again)

hb:its complicated

me:ok, lets chit chat ( i pull away from her)

hb:what guy does that? who would want to just talk?

me:i am not your average guy. (freeze out for a few more minutes and then go back at it. at this point, she is moaning and getting reall in to it, and i haven't even touched her. lol)

hb:it's complicated, i don't want anyone to get hurt. This is so easy for guys and complicated for girls.

me:i know (try to go back at it, nothing, give it a couple more shots and same thing.)

me:ok, be honest with me where is this going?

hb: I don't trust you, i mean i do, but i don't.

me:what? why?

hb: i don't want anyone to get hurt

me: no one is gonna get hurt. this is just you and me. you are the object of my desire.

hb: idk, look at the people you hang out with that i have met. (she thinks me and all my friends are players. That we just hook up with girls, and dump the after)

me:yeah some of them aren't the best, but i don't even talk to them anymore. Some people would say that the people we keep in our company are a reflection of us.my closest friends are nothing like that. Yeah, that may seem like assholes on the surfice, but thats just to make sure that people are worthy of being called friends. when you really get to know us, we are all pretty stand up guys.

hb:Yeah, but you have to do more then say that. You have to show me.

me:(wtf? how the hell did it get to this?) Ok, then i will do what is needed to show you that.

and that was the end of it. she says ok, and then lays on my chest and goes to sleep. I am just left asking myself wtf? what kind of shit test is this? how the hell do i show her that i am not just trying to fuck her and leave. can i even do that if i don't fuck her? Its kinda funny that this came up though. because i had just had a conversation with a close female friend(like 30 minutes before all this went down), and she asked me to really think about how i see this going with this hb. Do i see her has just a fuck, or could i see myself dating her. and that i need to make my intentions clear. If i do get wit her, then she will want a relationship. I was unable to answer that question. Like i could see myself with this hb (potentially), but at the same time i have a fear of commiting to something. Ijust wanna thank you guys for even taking the time to read this, and i can't wait to hear the responses.

I'm surprised after you say "yeah, I know" and jump back in that you got her in her bra and panties on top of you. not a good response. You're sounding needy and try hard. Now that was a good way to handle it that time. As evidenced by her next response. You keep messing up because you are acting needy and try hard. she may or may not realize what she said, but if you've studied any material in depth, this SHOULDDDDD ring a bell in your head. talk about sounding off MAJOR bells in your head! And apparently it didn't click with you man. WHOA WHOA WHOA . . . that was SO AFC. "you are the object of my desire"? AFTER she has been TURNING YOU DOWN? OMG, come on man. You can do better than that. hmmm, the very fact of what you yourself just admitted should tell you something. Or at least give you a hint that you could expect more resistance in the future from this girl and others for the same reasons. basically, she just said "I don't believe your line of bullshit. I know you JUST want to fuck me and dump me. And, as MUCH as I want to fuck you, I already told you earlier in this convo WHY I can't allow myself as a woman to do that." hmmm, and you even talked to your friend about this very same subject, yet you STILL don't understand what happened? Come on, dude, if you're gonna succeed you got to get your head straightened out.

Anyway, hope that helps.

I see what you are saying. I thought i was coming off a bit more confident then needy. When i would move back in, it was because she was showing signs that she wanted it. Its not like she got off, and was at the edge of the bed. she was still on top of me, and she was still stroking me. I do agree that the desire thing was afc, but i didn't know what else to say there. I thought it would help, becuase i had a feeling that all the LMR was related to her thinking it was just a lay for me. A part of me wants to see it develop into something, and the other part is saying, screw that; this has been a rocky thing from the start. Any suggestions on recovering? Some friends suggested on inviting her out tonight.

It is a shit test, very last minute resistance, I ran into it a few times and found the easiest way to pass the test:

When the HB puts up such resistance draw back COMPLETELY and say "maybe we really shouldn't."
Quite the opposite of needy, this behavior shows that you care about her feelings and are not interested only in sex.
She can either shout NOOO!!! and pull you back, in which case you will enjoy the rest of the evening without any more shit tests. On the other hand she might agree, call it off and go home feeling bad that she missed out having sex with a real man and she will be back demanding you within a day.

How to fix the situation now:
I suggest that you do not mention that night to her. Take her on a date, maybe even two, continue gaming her and doing whatever it was you were doing. This shows that you do not think of her as a one night stand, which was what she was afraid of. Shit test avoided, even if it takes more time than usual.

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thank you. lol. I thought i was showing that it was more then just a lay to me when i said that i was willing to show her that i wanted more. I mean damn, i stopped everything all together. we just layed together and then she went to sleep.

Ahem . . . remember . . . girls AREN'T logical, lol. At least they don't follow the same logic that we have embedded in our heads, hence the need to learn what makes them tick.

Yeah, this is true. How do you do the quote thing? I have never been able to figure tha out. lol. Well, i saw her again tonight. I invited her out with some friends and I. It dosen't seem like that whole thing even had an effect on the course of our relationship. Everything was back to normal. However she did ask about my virginity. So i just told her that it was privaleged information. Idk, it seems like she is right there; and like I don't need to game her. It seems like she is just waiting for me to show that i would date her. I don't really know how to play this. I want to amp up kino, but tonight wasn't a good setting. One bad thing did happen though. It deff maid me seem like a player. This slipped my mind when i was saying it too. It was a reference to my friends dad always making fun of me for my "odd" adventures with women. You are right though LA, I have to get my head into this. It is kinda hard, cuz I am doing this natural. I use this forum to give me a general format for my interactions. Everything i say and do comes from me. idk, should be interesting to see how this goes.

Another thing i would ahve done would have been to stop her doubting her decisions. By her saying "Its Complicated", she's telling you why she wants to stop and is looking for reassurance!

"Its not complicated!!! You cant stop human desire, are you saying that you don't want this to happen or because of society's opinion on the situation!?" Or somethin along those lines - trying to justify that its NOT a big deal

Also when she compares you to your friends, You ARE different, remember pua's have to be the exception!

"So from what you have learnt from me tonight after all we have talked about, your just going to place me into a Steriotyping box!? Thjought you were here to be with me, not my friends!?"

Also the dreaded "Where is this going?" question!

Perhaps respond with "Well im gonna fuck you leave!" :p, na just kidding, but i have used something like "Well i cant promise what will happen tomorrow, because i don't know! All i can promise is that i wont just turn around and be an Ass, i mean if you think that, why are you here!? We both want this, there are no complications, no underlying situations, right now its just me and you!" Then comtinue to Fuck her and leave! :p

But reassure her that its ok - cos LMR is basically doubt, so all you need to do is reassure its not a big deal, because its Not!!! In this day and age, Sex is not a big deal!

Hope that helps
Climax

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when I get LMR I just play it kool... aight baby, we don't have to go there... when you don't ask why or keep trying, she wonders why, a girl loves a man that respects her decisions and how she feels, yea you can try and talk her into it or give her the cold shoulder which can definately work, unfortunately it didnt in this case, but you'd be amazed by your results if you didn't make that big of a deal about it, she obviously likes you, she just doesn't wanna fuck you so soon b/c she sees what you and your friends do with other girls (the ole hit it n quit it) and doesn't trust you... respect her when she says no and just escalate it every time you see her, if after a few more dates she still wont give it up tell her it just isn't gonna work out, you have needs and obviously she can't or is unwilling to meet those so I don't wanna waste your time and we should probably not see each other anymore... If she does like you she'll probably give in b/c you respected her when she said no the first couple times. I don't know, probably better ways to go about it but I've had good success with that strategy, keeps them coming back b/c they like you and they know you're not gonna make them do something they're not ready for or make a big deal out of it, pretty soon you're gonna get her so hot and horny she won't be able to say no... Remember you got other options, a girl turning you down ain't no thing playa cuz you got other bitches out there... even if you don't, you play it kool like its no big deal and she'll think you have other options...

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Ok Climax!!! Obviously you're excited about helping him!!! Which is good!!! lol, sorry man, had to do that!!!

But, sitting there "convincing her" sounds like you are begging her and that's NEVER a good thing.

She talked about your virginity . . . so are you a virgin?

Hey L.A. wat can i say - too much caffine this morning! Lol

With wat i said tho, i wouldnt sit there and chat to her about it, i'd use them as like "Justifacational statements" then just carry on, even go caveman cos hey, she's there so she wants it! thats my attitude.

If that didnt work, freeze out, then start again!

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lol, i love the responses here.

How would you suggest that I escalate with her? I wanted to last night, but the setting was too public. I was gonna kiss her at the end of the night, but my friends were all standing there by us. Only thing i can think of doing would be putting my arm around her more, kissing, and idk. lol.

Advice- I tried not to make a big deal, but yeah. I know she likes me. From a past conversation i believe she wanted me to be the one to take her virginity. Ofcourse things didn't progress like that, but she is still here. She thinks we are players for a few reasons. Most of my closest friends are involved in PU. The only reason she knows this is because one of them was using terminology around her. and then when she heard it on the pick up artist, she put two and two toghether. lol. That same friend also dated her bestfriend, and he messed her over big time. My entire group of friends are really sarcastic, and their are a couple of hornballs thrown in there. I haven't done anything bad to her knowledge, well outside of being an asshole (in the good way). lol. I know there are more girls out there. I am normally the one preaching that to my friends. This one however is the best one i have at the moment.

L.A.- Yeah, i am. I don't seem like i am, and i shouldn't be. I am just one of those guys that has bad luck. Everytime i am about to have sex, something goes wrong. I have funny stories for days about this stuff. Idk who would have told her about that though. She had to have gotten that from her bestfriend, who asked me about it a while ago. Dude, i am so happy that you asked me that question. I now why she thinks i am a player now.

climax- funny that you mentioned going caveman. Before we got up in the bedroom, i thought she was gonna go caveman on me. lol. We were sitting there, and she started playing in my hair, and then out of the blue she goes"mmmm, you smell good.", and then grabs my hair. First thing i thought was "is this girl seriously about to go caveman on me?"

Wait your both virgins?

If thats the case she can't go accusing you of being a player! Pull the switcharooskee on her and act hurt by that, and make it seem like she's the one who's trying to convince you that your a slut so she can get in your pants.

I am the virgin. She was when we met. THere was a period of time in which i stopped talking to her. She says that she she isn't a virgin anymore. I have my doubts as to whether she lost it or not. I kinda think she is, because of they way she reacted that night. However, that is just speculation. I love your idea though. lol, it is golden.

Something else you have to keep in mind too. Being an asshole is NOT a good thing. Being confident and cocky and funny is good, but there IS a difference between that and being an asshole. It also sounds like your friends may not be such good ones to have around if in fact you want to become a PUA.