I've come to find that calling is 1000% more effective than texting. I'm thinking about abandoning texting altogether and only calling girls. Does anyone have any experience to actually show them that texting a girl has worked in ways that calls couldn't?

You're absolutely right. Calling works better. The reason we text first is because most of the time these girls are complete strangers to us and will feel uncomfortable with some stranger calling them.

Texting breaks the ice and helps her get more comfortable with you until you can call her. On my site i've wrote a good article about texting and calling. Good luck!

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they both have their benifits, if your running day game, and your just massing numbers as fast as you can to set up house dates, texting is better for mass texts, you go downtown and grab 50+ phone numbers in a day after a few hours of street approaches, you can just mass text msgs and filter out your no interest girls from your high interest girls and create a tiny bit of comfort to try to mitigate flakes, easy way to filter,

however, when actually going for a meet up, allways better to call than to text, way more tension on a girls end, to flake when she has to verbally reject your offer as opposed to text you, way less tension for her to text, nah sorry (insert excuse here), not only that buy on a phone call you can guage tonality and have a better idea of her buying temp, texting all you can judge is how reactive her answers are

Just off topic a bit but pumpington, if you get 50+ (presumably weak) number closes in day-game, how many of those turn into an F-close (on average).

The reason I'm asking is because I'm working on a strategy of getting a few solid number closes instead of lots of weak number closes, and I just want to know if what's the best way to go.

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Just keep it fresh. You don't want to call her for stupid stuff, call her when you wanna have a good chat to build comfort. But if you just want to say something really quick you text it. But don't exaggerate with texting. You don't wanna send 10 every day that'll get you friend zoned.

it is situational to how i obtained those numbers and level of interest from the girl,
if running direct game, i will close far less numbers, but generaly my close rate is much higher, maybe about 2/10 numbers will end in f-close,

now if it is indirect, i tend to have a much higher number close rate but a much lower f-close rate, maybe probably about 1/10 will end in f-close from indirect

i go downtown and to univercity when i run day game, try to make it in and out quickly with your closes,

indirect, will often be, excuse me do you know where Xlocation is and i place hand on shoulder, followed by do you know anywhere around here to go for fun?, followed with qualifier if she answers that i have led her into, followed with interest being shown, then i compare logistics with her, then i drop time contraint say we should go for drinks on wednesday at Xlocation (i just pick a day and tell every girl same day, later on I will change this day or flake, depending on how they have been sorted) exchange numbers (i try to make sure they get my number too it is important for sorting reasons), i usually attempt a hug, and just say it was nice meeting you *put arms out and go for a hug*, then i move on for more numbers, later on that day when im finished for the day, i will mass text all number i got that day, with something like such an amazing day, and the it only gets better ,

then i gauge responses, usually
don't answer = low interest folder
whos this? = med interest folder
all other real answers = interested folder
(begin having convos with these numbers only to touch base and leave an impression in their mind shoot for more qualification if it seems interest is high, when i actually go for the meet up i will try to either arrange them to meet for a drink near my house or actually come to my house for a drink, either way i will call not text)

god bless htc sensation phone, can organize people into folders and mass text by folder, also have a cold number folder, non responsives get tossed into it, and it gets texted about 2weeks to once a month, only time i remove a number is when they actually ask me to stop contacting them,

next is direct,
approach, make as big of an impact as you can, cut off her path, big energy, OMG, ONE SEC, I JUST HAVE TO TELL YOU, (she trys to escape just keep saying one sec over and over) (DELIVER DIRECT OPENER HERE WHAT EVER SEEMS CONGRUENT TO HER, MAKE IT GENUINE DIRECT INTEREST FROM THE HEART), next same as above, starting with, do you know anywhere around here to go for fun? (this is my lead in to qualfier) same process listed above

in my opinion all number closes are weak, no matter how long you spent, obtaining them, all that affects close rate is level of attraction the woman has for you, and how much you impacted her at the time, better to go for SNL then solid # close imo, if its day game for me, mass phone numbers and play the numbers game, if it is night game, the only goal in mind is to pull her home, i don't want numbers, i want sets to open at the bar and close at my house numbers off strong leads should be collected due to a lack of interest vs time, or due to logistical problems

[quote="GameIsOn"]You don't wanna send 10 every day that'll get you friend zoned.[/quote]

bullllllshit.... if you guys are gaming 16-24 right now there is absolutely nothing wrong with texting, i've gotten gf's without a single call. Texting may be harder to emotionally connect but you have MORE time to think about your responses also girls REALLY overthink texts... did he mean to put that period there?, why is it taking him long to reply? did he get that last text? The whole call is better than text debate only applies to the older chicks 30ish who aren't raised in this age.

Calling can be risky, no time to think, BUT you can potentially dhv, and connect more emotionally with a girl. IF she likes you quite a bit i'd run text game personally, less risky, then on the date seal it... but if you felt the number close wasn't that great or she takes a while to reply to texts then call.

To be very honest with you I've seen many guys gone blank with texting. I'm not saying the stuff you say isn't true. You're absolutely right about that text are a lot clever and you can come up with great responses that make the girl wonder about you, but don't forget the importance of calling. She probably gets texts from different guys all day but only few call. It'll make you stand out since you actually have the guts to call. Of course you need to on top of your game since you can't think your shit out but that isn't a problem for me personally. I'm too much of a natural to screw up phone game.

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To be very honest with you I've seen many guys gone blank with texting. I'm not saying the stuff you say isn't true. You're absolutely right about that text are a lot clever and you can come up with great responses that make the girl wonder about you, but don't forget the importance of calling. She probably gets texts from different guys all day but only few call. It'll make you stand out since you actually have the guts to call. Of course you need to on top of your game since you can't think your shit out but that isn't a problem for me personally. I'm too much of a natural to screw up phone game.[/quote] ugh this forum is bugging out on me ><

If your inner game is top notch then I would call more often then text. Then calling is not so risky, your sociable, your used to conversations with girls, your not nervous in the slightest, your not overthinking... then you can dhv in her eyes a lot easier, you can connect more emotionally... Then the only time I would use texts is to send her little tease messages to make her think about you when your not talking to her. I used to take a picture of myself holding a sign that says "I miss you" when I was giving a girl some space. and then send it to her phone.... My inner game isn't top notch yet.

edit: In my opinion you should use BOTH,,, if you really like the girl play to you strengths, if she's a practice girl or you don't care so much practice calling. Texting should still be used to keep her thinking about you. Also if the girl is really young they go crazy over it, check out the facebook page "I hate when you get a text but it's not from the person you wanted" the young girls get really excited when they hear their phone ding, but then get mad at whoever texted them because they are waiting to hear from you. They miss you more.. The older girls will think, this guy doesn't like me fuck him next.

I text primarily once things are moving along. Otherwise, if I am actually interested I pick-up the phone. In my case, getting on the phone at least seems to help initiate things quicker and makes the responses much more solid.

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Lots of great shit being posted in this I agree with Pleasure and that if your inner game isn't up to par than calling sometimes blows it.

I've actually tried and have been successful just texting till the date but lots of the game I run is online so I usually haven't even met this chick yet so it's really awkward and I need to scramble around to break the ice and make sure she's comfortable.

Also I've noticed a lot is that it's harder to hook a girl meaning have her head over heels for you without making a phone call. Maybe my inner game is a lot stronger than my texting game but I noticed while texting she's still on the fence but after the 1st call she'll text you like no tomorrow.

Lots of times the fire sometimes fizzles out and the spark dies if you don't stimulate her enough emotionally which you can do easily with 1 call.

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50 numbers in a few hours? Wow, I think you need to call Mystery and Neil Strauss up an let them know your secret. Please give Sinn a call and be his teacher.
50!? Really? Um, you should teach Don Juan himself. Strange, cause I know the numbers. I know what even the best pick up artists do, and it is definitely not 50. You might be able to do that in a whole weekend if you start at noon, go until 2 AM, and then do it all over again the next day, but in two hours? You might get 6 numbers in two hours on a really good day. You might get ten on your best day ever.
I've been a pua for ten years. I usually get three or four in a couple of hours, maybe six on a really good day. Also I've had days where I didn't get any. I think my best day ever was when I got 17 numbers, but I started downtown at 10 in the morning and ended at a club at 2 AM. I probably did 30 approaches that day. Those are average numbers for a decent pick up artist. The best pua in the world will still struggle to get more than 22 or 23 numbers with 30 approaches.
I have a 3 for 1 approach. Three approaches usually equals one number. But according to you, you did 50 approaches in a couple of hours and got 50 phone numbers? Wow, you must be banging all the super models and Hollywood stars.

Maybe I got the wrong idea from this post but it seems fairly, bitter and sarcastic to me. I'll still humor you anyways to help, maybe you can adopt and test out a new way to get dates for yourself. If your best day you think you got 17 numbers but you only talked to 30 women over the coarse of 14 hours, then you did fairly well in putting in the effort to meet those women and should commend yourself. However you need to talk to more then 50 women to get more then 50 phone numbers. You will also not get a lot of phone numbers if it takes you forever to ask for a girl's number and you spend too long talking in the hopes of building rapport. (assuming collecting a mass amount of phone numbers is your goal to set up dates for the week) You will just end up wasting a lot of time trying to get into long arbitrary conversations that don't quite filter out interested women too well and end up with phone numbers that are given to you on the basis of having a rapport rather then based purely on being attracted to you. (you can bridge this rapport after getting the phone number to help increase the odds of the date, rather then relying on it to get the number in the first place)

If you are going to try to invest any specific amount of time into building rapport with someone you just met based on perceived interest from her side at a club, then I suggest you make sure it is logistically possible first and if logistics permit then just try to bring her home that night rather then going for a number. (assuming you are interested in casual sex with strangers)

If you want to amass a large amount of numbers to arrange dates with, first you should consider the best logistics in your city to meet as many women as possible in a short period of time. You can either go downtown and walk the most packed streets, or go to a good club in your city on a weekend. If you don't live in a city, you should go to one. Research the clubs in your area if you are not familiar with them, find one that will have a good 500+ people on a Saturday and start approaching, get to the point quickly and just work out the logistics. You shouldn't put so much stock in phone numbers or spend time building much rapport. You can get a phone number by simply asking for one without even knowing the person as long as you can justify why you want the phone number. Phone numbers don't necessarily lead to anything and some girls will just give them away for various reasons that have nothing to do with actually being interested. If you talk to a good hundred or more women in a night at the club and you don't leave with at least a few dates and a lot of phone numbers then you probably either didn't offer a lot of dates or ask for a lot of phone numbers from a lot of women or need to work on your physical appearance and make sure you shower before you go and brush your teeth (if you didn't).
Maybe this is a presumptuous but I don't think you have actually tried much cold approaching or at the very least tried much experimenting with it. It doesn't really matter about how many numbers out of approaches you get since that is going to be completely arbitrary, just approach women you find attractive and expect that you will get a lot of numbers but the majority of them will flake or not actually be interested in meeting up with you for what ever reason (don't be too hard on yourself since a lot of the time it has nothing to do with you). The better you get at arranging the logistics and getting to the point, the more women you can approach within a specific time frame. If you almost only get flakes and no one ever wants to go out with you or you keep getting poor responses on your approaches then my first guess is you need to work on improving your physical appearance or have poor hygiene or are coming off weird in general in some way.
I think you mis-interpreted my post here, according to me, getting 50 phone numbers in one night is not talking to 50 women. It would be amazing if that was the case and every girl you met just wanted to hop on your dick but you're going to have to talk to a few hundred women in a night if you actually want to go that far unless you are a male model or famous. If you are direct in your justification, you will have more women refuse to give you their phone number then if you are ambiguous in your approach, but you will waste less time trying to build rapport over text with women who are not interested in any way and gave you their phone number to simply not come off as rude. The numbers that you do get when you are upfront about your intentions will produce better results, I also don't believe trying to build rapport before getting the number has much impact on if a girl actually shows up for a date with you assuming you build enough rapport after getting the phone number over text that you are not complete strangers. Beyond that it is my opinion that someone showing up on the date is more dependent on if she finds you attractive and if she is single/available.

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Start with rule #1, this thread is nearly 4 years old.

Texting is better initially as she may be busy when you call. It's best to avoid giving her a missed call so texting should be light and playful and be used to setting up logistics for a meet. If logistics are too complex, it's best to call her just after she texted you to have a higher chance she will pick up and set things up over the phone to avoid a long text thread.

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The thing about this text call argument. Texting is slower than calling.

To me texting is easier than calling. I just send a few messages to get my point across and go about my day.

No need to sit there talking for 10-15 minutes.

I can also text multiple girls at the same time.

A person who thinks texting is hard doesn't know how to do it correctly.

I do everything through text. I can't remember the last time I called a girl.

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