Alright so im going to be a college sophmore, and im still home for the next month or so. One of my good friends is and has been friends with this girl, 2 years younger than me- going to be a senior in high school.

A few days before i came back from school she posted on my fb wall wondering and we started chatting, decided we should hangout. saw her once when i got back in a group setting. we talked and chilled a bit, and decided we should hangout again. We both have texted each other a few times over the past month, but usually she claims "im too high to hangout now" or ive got work.

Last week i was with my friends and they called her seeing if she wanted to hangout, she said yes. We had her meet us at an ice cream/mini golf place. We were incredibly baked, and we chilled and ate ice cream. She followed me around- i was leading the group, clearly the alpha male. She walked next to me when we walked around, she sat next to me on the bench and would wait till i gotup to move.

We went to a parking lot, smoked some blunts and chilled for a long time- she clearly enjoyed herself. When she left she immediatly texted me afterwards "that was hilarious, your crazy". We talked for a few texts and i said we definetly need to hangout again soon.

a few days later she texts me asking if i have plans that night, i tell her im going to a music festival but will be back late if she wants to chill. She says alright, let me know when your back. Throughout the night we trade a few texts- she isnt sure she can go out cause she needs to be back by 1230 and shes at a party right now. Eventually i convince her to sneak out, and i go to pick her up around 130. We chat in the car, and i ask her if she wants to go to a pond. we go to the pond and blaze, and talk. The conversation slipped into more serious notes (my fraternity is going through some shit, so it slipped into a more serious note- my fraternity, her worries about college- what shes heard, that sorta thing). I suggested we go swimming cause its gorgeous out, and im met with flatout rejection. I suggest lying on the beach (we are sitting on a bench at the beach) and stargazing- no response. So we sit and talk for 40 minutes.

around 150 she says she should probably be getting back, so i tell her alright let head out. As we getup, i gently put my hand on her back- first real physical contact of the night- and she sorta jumps and pulls ahead a fraction.

We keep the conversaiton light on the way back, and get to her house. She fairly immediatly gets out of the car, and then says something i cant hear and smiles when shes out.

Texted her today (2 days later) a little inside joke we had that night, but 2 hours later no response



Anyone comment on if/what i did wrong, and where to go from here? she has made sure to make it clear she is only around town for another 2 weeks before she heads to greece. Im looking to make moves before then, however i think the age difference is probably an issue in her mind (my younger sister is also in the same grade as her, so its a little sketch i think in her mind).

what should i do?

I'd suggest just don't date highschoolers. Most of them aren't sexually confident and are hard to read. Or she might just be a virgin and have no experience sexually O_O. I definitely would've tried more kino though. Alone at a park and not even a kiss close is kind of unusual.

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He's right, you definitely should have kino'd.

But if she's worth the shot:
Try to go with your group out, tell your friend to invite her too. Go alpha again, and this time get even more "crazier" (or whatever she meant with what she texted). Now you wanna have her want you more than the first time. Then try to isolate her, talk to her, not deep into your frat problems at least not right away unless the conversation leads to it or she just asks, definitely kino (VERY IMPORTANT) and if you see the chance go for the kiss. (remember she's a highschool senior, you're a college sophomore, you have the more mature advantage.) After that, its up to you where you really wanna end.
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If the group hang doesn't work, and she can't go or whatever, last resort; go for the farewell get-together or something, but try to keep it smooth you don't wanna sound desperate. Or you can simply make it bigger, like try to get a group for it and then go iso and proceed from there on.
Hope it can help!

god damn, you guys fire L's like it's nothing hahahaha
you are young once focus on yourself and your life
you can fire some of that when you're old and grey then it's probobly more fun too when you sit down in your weelchair, thinking of old memorys, sippin on a jack and fire that L, i can already see me doing this when im 60 yo.

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well two thing in your post, struck me, im curious,

1st it would be nice to have more detail on your escalations,
think of the whole interaction as an escalation, you start at NEUTRAL or 0, and eventually want to dial up the interaction sexually to SEX, or 100,

escalation is not just physical escalation, or kino escalation(same thing just a stupid nerd term), kino is your guide to see what her physical comfort threashold is with you,

things that would be interesting to know, did you ever once, indicate interest in her as a person for something other then her looks?,
did you ever compliment her?
did you ever verbally say anything indicating romantic intent/sexual intent?

now next thing i want you to consider is her mood, no matter what when gaming a girl you have to consider her buying tempurature, think of it like this
bad mood/bored = low buying temp
happy excited energetic mood = high buying temp

if you want to sell escalations/compliance to a girl, guess when she is most likely to buy? lol get why they call it buying temp?

so you basicly, she shows interest in you, and she allows for isolation (indication to me that she is attracted to you) but even with attraction, you need to properly escalate with in a girls comfort level, you lowered her buying temp, then you began to seek her approval (get her to lead the interaction) for compliance, you don't ask her if she wants to go swimming, you say, LETS GO SWIMMING, and start taking your clothes off, assume she will follow, if she does not want to, she will say NO YOUR CRAZY!! at this point you just need to raise her buying tempurature, that is all, easier to sell, next you were seeking her approval to gaze at stars again, after 1st time that probably lowered her BT even more, (hey wanna gaze at stars?, she doesn't answer because she doesnt want to lead) you should have just laid down, and said come here lets gaze at the stars, she would say no if she didn't want to,

finally after getting 0 compliance, and most likely not even escalating the situation verbally, you go from 0 and most likely a very low BT, to placing your hand on her back with no prior physical comfort established (you might have gotten away with this if she had high BT),

you are fucked my friend, the solution to this problem is a 2 week freeze out, and re-attempt contact to see if she gives you another shot, but you don't have 2 weeks,
you can keep trying to contact but the more you do, the more likely she will never answer and think you are needy

Great post Pump. I totally agree, just learn to get to that high buying temp, and lead her instead of asking for compliance. Past failures is future successes as long as you learn from it and apply!

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Appreciate the detailed analysis! Thanks a ton

I know one of my major issues is getting the kino in, and compliments/hints after isolation (unless drunk, of course ).

Any suggestions or reading to help with that? i can isolate pretty well usually, and group setting im the alpha male more often than not (when with my friends- unknowns im more guarded unfortunately).

I did not really give her many hints about romantic/sexual intent, which i realize was a big mistake. I always have trouble getting that point across once isolated- it always feels forced and awkward. Any thoughts on helping with that issue?

There have been plenty of great posts already so I'll keep it brief.

Kino is ESSENTIAL. It should be nonsexual from the beginning. She rejected you the first time because you hadn't established friendly kino, so when sexual tension arose, you kino'ed and she wasn't used to it. You'll be a lot better off in all aspects of your game once you can put your arm around her and comfortably leave it there.

Also, keep the mood positive. Talking about worrying topics is bad. If she mentions something she's worried about, reframe it. ("College is scary, but it's an incredible experience, you're going to discover so much about yourself. I can already tell you have a lot below the surface")

Invite her to hang out with other friends, but try to leave yourself a way to isolate (leave your car at her place and have her drive or something, you'll find a way). Kino from the start, demonstrate that you're very comfortable with her, don't allow any awkwardness. Otherwise, maintain a little distance. Hit her with some disqualifiers, make it feel like you weren't trying to hook up with her the last time. Once she's back and interested, kino more and get that escalation going. Good luck!