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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

It is NOT a point where you get stuck with ONE SPECIFIC GIRL.

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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
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If you have not already gone out and practiced enough to have a real Sticking Point from meeting an ABUNDANCE of women, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO POST HERE.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:39 am 
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Hello gentlemen

Its been a while since iv been on the forums and there is a good reason for this. Recently iv discovered a peculiar phenomenon in the community especially concerning students studying Mystery Method.

After reading post after post and from realising this after personal experience, iv come to understand that there are many students who are not happy with their level of performance. The 3 main problems students, especially MM students, face are as follows.

-Some of you may have noticed that you don’t seem to be getting the results you want form the game,

- you have been sarging for over a year and you still arnt on that level of performance who you want to be on.

- you seem to be relatively successful with girls, however you as a person are still unhappy and don’t seem to know why.

If you find yourself in any of these positions, then you have what I call IGN syndrome (inner game neglectance syndrome).

The reason why you seem to be struggling is because you have been neglecting your inner game, an I feel that indirect approaches and being routine dependant is responsible for this. As most of us should know, MM is based on indirect approach an flying under the radar. We use opinional openers because there is almost zero chance of getting rejected. And this is where the problem begins.

As men, we are faced with two primary obstacles when we first start sarging: our fear of approach and our fear of rejection. Although MM gives us the # second rule to deal with AA, it teaches us nothing on dealing with rejection. Instead, MM gives us techniques to PREVENT us from getting rejected. I don’t believe this is a good thing for novice rAFCs for one particular reason; MM helps to AVOID our fears, but it doesn’t help us to FACE our fears. We never really get rid of our fears, we simply avoid them, and later, they come back to haunt us.

After some realisation, iv come to understand something about MM. think of your self as a car. A really shity car (your outer game) with a crappy engine (your inner game). This is your AFC self. As you learn the MM, you get a new paint job, new rims, you make the car look like a champion. however you change nothing under the hood. The car may SEEM amazing, but under all that flashy paint, its still a piece of shit.

And this is how the MM effects many aspiring PUAs. The routines and techniques simply act as accessories, but once you take all those accessories away, you are still left with the AFC.

When rAFCs get introduced to the game, 90% of them start off with MM. there are 3 reasons for this.

1. Its one of the easiest methods to learn

2. It’s the most available

The 3rd reason is abit more complicated. When we ask an AFC to tell us why he is bad with girls, he will say things like:
- “im not good looking”
-“I have trouble talking”
-“I just don’t know what to say”
-“I cant maintain a conversation”

These are all outer game problems that MM specialises in fixing. And its great at first because it actually works. But there is one thing that MM overlooks when dealing with these problems. The root. MM only tackles the problem, but it does not evaluate the cause of the problem. And we all know what the root of the problem is; your inner game. Because you have self doubt, because you aren’t confident in your self, because you suffer from fear of approach and rejection, you are faced with all these problems that SEEM to stem from your outer game, when in truth, stem from your inner game. This is the problem with MM, it only teaches you outer game

Ill never froget the day my friend f-closed his first HB 10. we spoke about it that night and then he said something that made me think. He said “I cant believe this actually works. I banged her and she had no idea I was actually a nerd.” Despite the fact that he was successful, he still saw himself as a nerd, he still saw himself as un worthy. Inside his head, he was still an AFC. (i belive Sinn had a very similare stituation to this)

This is what also noticed in myself as well. We weren’t alpha males, we never were. We simply pretended to be. The way we PRESENTED ourselves was alpha. But the way we PERCEIVED ourselves was completely AFC.

And this can effect novice PUAs greatly in the future. Neglect of your inner game can have devastating effects later on. Even mystery himself suffered from IGN. If you have read The Game, then you wil know what im talking about. How mystery eventually became a wreck, despite the fact he could bang just about any girl ha wanted. Another mPUA who suffered from IGN was Jon Sinn, who, after f-closing 150 women, tried to commit suicide.

Recently iv stumbled across mPUAs who have also realised this factor. Sinn, DJ Fuji and AFC Adam all speak about this. If you have read this and you feel you might be suffering for IGN, please go have a look at DJ Fuji’s and Sinn’s lectures at The 21 Convention on YouTube.

I strongly feel this is something we should all look into as a community.


Kind regards


Kassio


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:00 pm 
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The thing is, that there are no rules, just guide lines.

I use MM, and it works like a charm.
In the begining it was wery hard, but now realy smooth, and I'm only 18, but I PU much, much older girls...

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i have absolutley nothing against MM. i feel it acts as an amazing foundation. however many rAFCs become very dogmatic towards one particular method and dont explore other styles of pickup. yes i believe knowledge is power, but so is diversity.


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You are right... We need to explore other stuff, and then stick to one that works for us.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:34 pm 
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Hmm you do have a valid point.. But then again for a lot of guys even 'under the radar' canned openers feel like a mountain to climb.
It's all about facing your fears and overcoming them, and gradually becoming a PUA.

Saying that there is a certain progression PUA's will go through each being different to the next, it's all about finding things wrong with your game and improving them, not blindly opening as many sets as you can!


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Despite the fact that he was successful, he still saw himself as a nerd, he still saw himself as un worthy. Inside his head, he was still an AFC.


Kassio
Seeing yourself as a nerd doesn't mean you're an AFC, many good pick-up artists will admit to being nerds, but the word nerd is just a word. Now... feeling 'unworthy' is a different thing. Reading the MM alone won't make you into a MPUA, you can't just read it and expect to be a changed man. This is a long quest which needs hard work put into it, the MM is a start to work off, don't look at it as 'the answer'.


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