Im wondering if being big makes others treat you more alpha or perhaps gives you more confidence which in turn makes you more alpha?

I think theres an primal instinct to respect guys that are physically bigger than you which would make you more alpha and confident basically if you were big. And I think being big would mean you would feel more able to defend yourself physically which would give you more confidence.

Id say yes I think it does have an influence on how alpha you feel and appear.
When I see mates out talking to sets the bigger guys do get a bit more instant respect from girls and guys, guess it is a fair bit of caveman instinct!
I can say from experience Ive had more attention from girls and guys dont mess about so much with me since going to the gym regularly and being in much better shape. Its not easy though and I wouldnt recommend it to anyone inless they're fully willing to commit to regular training and to eating all the correct food, I'm addicted to the gym and have been for the past 6 months and its the only way I can keep up the motivation, gotta love the occasional girl giving me the eye too What better motivation eh!

Yes, I quitted smoking and began workouts in a gym for a year ago. This summer when I choose proper clothes I see girls are looking at me much more often than before

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Hey jrs.

Being alpha is the position among society in which you feel -and are- the leader. This rarely has anything to do with your physical aspect, as it depends much more on your own perceptions about yourself and how much influence and power you have over the people that surround you in a particular circle.

Most of the time, being alpha is possible thanks to a high level of self-confidence in oneself, which means that, if your self-confidence is low, there will hardly be anything alpha about you. However, if your self-esteem depends on your physical looks or on what people's opinion of you is, then getting bigger at the gym will probably boost your self-esteem. I'm not saying it's a great solution to use external sources to feel better about yourself, but it's something.

And, as far as the women looking at you and people having a bit more respect, I would agree that that happens, however, I would argue that as soon as people have tested your personality by interacting with you, they can tell if you're alpha or not. I contend that you can be a caveman-like, handsome, tanned muscular underwear model and still be beta.

It gets you a lot more confident, and you act more confident, which is considered more alpha;)

And chicks love a muscular guy..

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No, absolutely not.

This is where society's emphasis on being "alpha" becomes misconstrued among simple-minded fools.

If you ask any woman, lean muscle mass is much more of a turn-on than useless bulk.

99% of the the fools you see at the gym do the "bro workout." This is where you do 5 sets of bench press, with bicep curls, and you're done.

Being HYYOOOGE with absolutely no functional strength is pointless, and that's what you see with most of these goons in the gyms these days...unfortunately.

Keep in mind, the most "alpha" athletes in the world have both relative strength, and pure strength.

Combining these two during training will transform you into a Spartan warrior, not some gorilla juice head, with ED.

Hope this helps. If you have any Q's, I'm a personal trainer, and fitness model, so don't hesitate to ask.

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I can say from experience that being big will give you a bit of a boost in confidence. It am 6'3 and 220lbs (though i don't look it). That being said I is not about your size or strength but how you use them. I have wrestled guys 40-50lbs bigger than me and have won based on other attributes than size or strength. In my mind being Alpha is more about knowing how to use what you have as opposed to simply being bigger,faster or stronger. This carries over to social situations as well as psychical. Its all about knowing yourself and how to use what you got. Thats my 2 cents, think what you will

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It might make you feel more confident but ultimately how you feel about yourself is what makes you alpha or not. What I've found is that the bigger a guy is the less social skills he has. Its like he's compensating for his sucky social skills by getting big thinking that gives him more social value. A lot of the guys you see walking around like their tough and not smiling have nothing to bring to the table except muscle. It's funny to watch their face when you steal their girls

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Wow dude, chill out, the simple fact is you can be alpha without being big but we are human and being cut lean and muscular does help.

Are most "gorilla juice heads, with ED" beta? How many body builders have you met that lack self confidence? or masculinity?


I take a little offence to this being a power lifter and the simple fact of the matter is people do act different around you when your a muscular guy vs fat or scrawny. does it make you alfa? no...can you be alpha and fat or scrawny? yes of course but the unfortunate thing is getting constant social feed back without having to open your mouth does help and build self confidence.


Don't believe me? come to the gym with me, watch me rack a 415lb bench press 6 times and see how many people are looking at me....they're not thinking "that guys a chode"


So in short no, it will not make you more alpha, now ever being fit and looking good sure as hell helps.

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No not at all in my opinion. When I first started on these sort of forums and stuff like that I thought working out hard would do me well - I started to see some pretty quick result, and after a fair while, I was pretty big (not like one of those muscle bound meat-heads you see in skin tight tees in clubs, but still pretty big).

Anyway, I was still crap with women. Know why? Because it's "fake confidence". Looking good, nice hair, big biceps, fashionable clothes, are all "fake confidence". Yeah they can help to top you off once you're already to a certain point, but if your basic personal energy and personal situation is bad, all those things aren't going to help at all.

One day I met up with a girl I'd had a massive crush on for ages, but I'd pretty much slipped into the friend zone - she turned round to me and said "are you planning on getting any bigger? I don't like guys who are massive". And that sort of brought it home for me.

Since then I've not done much weights at all, I do cardio still to stay fit, but there are so many more important things than working out. Stay fit, but work on your head first.

If your head's not in the right place, your body won't make up for it.

I understand why some people dont agree. There are many guys that arent big that are quite alpha, and essentially being alpha is about how you behave.

But I still think that there is a physical element to being alpha. I kind of 'trick' which is due to the old wiring of our brain left over from times of old when being big DID matter much more because life was more primitive and less civilised. (ie. the biggest guys simply bullied their way to gettinig what they want). I think, as a result of this, there is an instict in all guys to respect those who are bigger than you (and similarly to feel more alpha around those that are smaller than you). And subsequently, there is a natural urge for women to be more attracted to these men to (think of how women nearly always have to have a guy that is talller than them for instance).

Therefore I believe that if you are one of this larger guys then you will automatically get more respect from guys and more attention from girl with the results that.....you will be more alpha mentally!

The reason I brought this up is because my mate is a naturally big guy and always has been. He is also one of the most alpha people I have ever met.

If he has always had this respect from other guys since he was young then I can't help but think that it must have helped him to feel more alpha mentally. Just think about how at school it is usuallyy the weedy kids that are bullied, even just verbally and not physically, and the big kids tend to be more respected.

Don't get me wrong, if he was skinny he would still be a confident guy but I dont think he would be as confident and as alpha. I think just the knowledge that you would do well in a fight with nearly all the guys you come across subconciously gives peace of mind and makes you more confident.

I dont know about you guys but tennd to feel a lot more alpha with people that are smaller than me than I do with guys that are bigger than me. I have notcied myself that I am more confident and become more decisive, assertive, talkative etc with people who I am physically bigger than, whereas guys that are bigger than me I tend to let them take the lead more, tend to be les assertive with them and probably would probably not interupt thhem as much etc.


So I think that by going to the gym and getting bigger, over time you will feel more alpha from the way that others react to your size (subconcsiously) and from the way that you will feel less intidated by and less of a need to repect other big guys

I'm not so sure jrs. Put yourself in a work SPAM.

If you've got a slightly overweight 50 year old CEO of the company, with charisma, money, a 30 year successful career behind you, you're charming, completely comfortable in your own skin, maybe have a bit of light hearted flirty banter with the women employees and are able to have manly chats about sport or whatever with the blokes

or

a twenty five year old who is massive, works out all the time, but has got no charisma, no real success, no people skills to ever likely be able to gain that success, can't relate to men or women very well outside of his own social group, but is ridiculously fit,

who is the most "alpha"?

IF, and it is an if, working out makes you feel more confident, then yeah of course it can make you what you would call "alpha". If, however, you don't give a damn about looking big, you are completely happy in your own skin already and have no desire to spend hours in the gym, then as long as you're healthy, I think you can still be more "alpha" than anyone else.

I have to agree being muscular doesn't give you any mystic alpha powers. I was pretty big 2 years ago when I was obsessed with working out and it didn't get me anything (apart from some comments and an occasional ass-grab) as my inner game and confidence was complete shit. As someone said as soon as people talk to you they'll see your not alpha regardless. I've actually done much better with women now and I have a beerbelly, my confidence and people skills have increased. So yeah social proof massively over muscles IMO.

Here's the thing: Today's society is not based around survival of the fittest. It's based around who do you know, who can you talk to, what are you good at. With that in mind, people are attracted to someone who is well connected, well adjusted in society, and/or has potential to be great.

So, does muscle mass and definition make you alpha? Nope. Does being a slug with flawless game hinder you? You bet.

I consistently go to the gym, as I am an amateur mixed martial artist. I felt a great boost in self confidence, especially after I had cut weight for a fight. I knew what I could do with my body. I wasn't looking for a fight in the bar, but the fact that I know what I'm capable of gave me better self esteem, especially when I first started out.

With all of that out of the way, the last thing I'll put on here is I agree with some of you on here. To some degree, there is some sort of primitive attraction to a larger man. More testosterone, better suiter to breed. But this is definitely not a cornerstone of being alpha.


-Ruggedized

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I agree. Big isn't everything..

I'm 6ft and 141lbs...the numbers mean that I'm some skinny kid, right?

I'll let you decide:



Correct nutrition is as important as going to the gym, perhaps even more so. This will seperate you from the weekend warriors in the gym.