cheers salad fingers, I guess your right if thier happily together not much can do or would want to do, but bear in mind im only 17 so many relationships at my age, not all, but many, are more...superficial? not right word, but hopefully you see what i mean

mence300 I dont really understand the question, but dw bout me taking anything negative, in this "game" i think its important to regularly reality check as its so easy and in some ways natural to start bullshiting yourself about how good you are, so all and any criticism welcome!

anyway, aswell as previous list:

things i noticed i was doing well:
qualifying: after breaking my approaches down, I realised throughout the interaction I was the one qualifying, just naturally I guess which is good as its only now ive realised this was how most of my attraction was being made

things I need to improve on:
being more fun/interesting - planning to do this by just having a few convosation gambits at the ready
push pull- have a few ways of doing this
kino- realise women want sex and establish kino as early as possible
go out and game at every possible opportunity
lead convorsations better
have some amog tactics

Im going to make a full list of all infield "techniques" i can find. then start systematically learning them all. some I may find aint really any good but I guess Il find out.

bout to go to a park party where wont be that many new hb;s, so for today, my aim is simply to lead convos as much as possible.

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yoooo! update your signature!

that is updated, although only since few weeks ago when I started this thread. its just so I can track my progress tbh

talking of progress, yesterday had probably the worst day in terms of my success/progress with women.
I met a few mates at this bday party thing, not many there, didnt expect there to be any HB's. but then, a girl mate brought one of her mates, the best looking blonde i think ive ever seen. So at first im like, fuck, as shes inbetween 2 guys who are trying to chat her up. but i think ok its cool il just wait abit till got a better opportunity. so the opportunity comes, i approach just askign her name, under frame ive never seen her before. well talk abit get to know eachother, its going well, i can see shes attracted. I decide to go and talk to mates for 5 mins then come back.

So i do that, and I see an AMOG there is talking and making her laugh. heres the worst part. instead of going back in there, and taking what I mofoing want, i just sit back and do nothing, like a lil fucking pussy.

the good news is that after yesterday, ive realised that however good i think i am socially, ive got far far to go, and its time to stop fucking around and make it happen. no more excuses, no more putting it off until my "inner game" is better or whatever.

so pretty pissed off right now! update soon.

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ohh well so, should i consider myself a pua? ive been sarging since 2004 and i never new there's a thing called "game" i just went out and tried to get laid but never followed any scheme. i cant remember my score though but if i want some women ill most probably get them most of the time i just learned of this thing just this year lol!

Hey man. Just read through the whole thread. Looks good man, keep up the good work. Been doing pretty much exactly the same as you but mostly night game, ive had quite a few number closes so far, few online. (im still a massive AFC), 2 kclose. But, Remember the bitch shield, From experience and from having a few female friends to test on and a lesbian wingman for advice. Girl says she has a BF, Could be a lie to test you out, But try the straw man technique.

So instead of saying to her " Oh you are so better than him, or he is a jerk" etc etc. Build him up to a standard he cant acheive in her head like, "Wow, you are so lucky to have a man that can treat you like a goddess and take care of you in every way shape and form/give you what ever you want" etc etc bla bla. Make a picture of him that he cant acheiv, and watch her destroy him in her head. If you make him look perfect, she will instantly realise every single one of his flaws. (under the midgame section) you have probs read it already, cos i explained it pretty bad there. But check that out.

You said in the thead about the girl you talked to about finding a job (soz didnt quote) but you tried to neg her job, I personally think that might be a bad idea, thats something quite personal. Neg her about something harmless

Goodluck man. Maybe if im down surrey way sometime we could sarge

peace

cheers skandi, yeah let me know if you are sounds good

Ok, feel like my inner game is on track now, much simpler than i though really, but still got a ways to go.

but last few days slacked a little with actuall approaches, mainly just because aint had time,

However thats no excuse, so from now on, instead of saying "i will use XYZ time to go out and game" im just gunna approach every HB I see. any advice on approaching in college? bare in mind the college used to be all male and only has about 20 females who are almost all friends?

Im still gunna have certain time set aside each week, but am going back to basics and have got a stockbank of all routines to use. hopefully this will help me get out there and approach as much as possible.
sorry bout the boring update, but like I say, I need to get out and start approaching more, infact tomorow Im gunna approach 3 randomers just to shake the cobwebs

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some great stoys guys

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just got in from nightgame, town party kinda thing on a field, lotta teenager HB;s like myself about.

went out feeling good and confident, expecting a good night, how wrong I was.

had the worst night results wise of my life. even though I felt "in state" and had openers ready
(just 'hey, who are you')
nothing hit. everything just led to polite small talk or a complete rejection. It was funny, but at the same time just a little bit depressing. however, ive learnt to always approach regardless, and tonight has really blown the lid on the whole "natural" game, at least for now, as it seemed in most sets reason they bleww me out was cos they knew what i was up to.
So from now now, really just gunna use material from MM (my own made stuff though) until in a position to talk more freely.

oh well, one more night of practise! just gotta keep it up!

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Good shit man. You just gotta keep doing it but you know that.

One thing I have noticed is that high school girls tend to be a little more bitchy and judgmental. You kinda have to prove your coolness to them by basically telling them to fuck off.... i typically do not like to do that but the little ones are mean.

Anyway keep going and good luck

Yeah agree with romeo. Mega bitch shield.

right got 4 days of college left, then im off for 7 weeks

So, time to plan my game for the summer. Again, mainly gunna focus on day game

my aims:
- to be able to consistently number close on day game. So when i go out, if I approach 5-6 girls, i can get at least one number close.

- to follow the MM model and learn how to progress through each stage- hopefully learning how to get into comfort consistently by the end of this summer

- To have a girlfriend/few girls I see on a regular basis: when i go back to college gunna be less time for sarging and lotta hard work, might aswell stock up on poonani! haha

method:

- to achieve these, im going to approach at least 3 sets every single day, and have at least 2 days a week dedicated solely to improving game

- the key will be in field practise!

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ok, so im officially off for summer now, and to kick it all off had a nightgame, just like before town party kind of thing.

One of the main things ive learnt tonight, is that im not too good for lines. Its like i would look back at success last summer, and go "ah man i dont need lines, once ive got a good opener im in" and i had no real framework of how to lead the interaction as a whole.

compared to last weeks one of these, where i got blown out by pretty much every set, this time i used a rooted opener, and all responded positively, and when i remembered to throw in a funny bit, the girls opened up and were chatty.

So, things learnt, lines and routines are very useful. from now on im gunna take 10 mins out before i go out anywhere, just to have at least one good routine in mind...just incase

next thing in mind is just, next week when i go, start approaching and dont stop, stick to 3 second rule, as soon as i see the girl boom go for it.

Also, before i used to feel opening was all i needed, particularly in daygame, because this in itself would feel like an achievement due to AA etc. now fuck that, wanna develop some routines so that im not just going for the open but as far as possible..

everyday, when ive got something to do, even if its just make a phonecall, im gunna walk into town to do it, to force me to get out there and approach

update soon, its begun!

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wow, went to a mates gathering thing last night, didnt really expect to be gaming as didnt expect any HB's. then in walks blonde HB9, russian. Im like dammmmmm. I had actually met her before but didnt have time to game her, and let an AMOG take over (wouldnt happen again). So i dont need much of an opener.

Anyway, her and a mate are like dancing in the room, loving being the center of attention, so im like fuck it and stand up and dance with them, but im appalling at dancing! need some help on that haha.

So, after numerous cockblocks, i finally get her to sit with me, im talking but havnt really got that much prepared DHV's ready, so its mainly just fluff talk and im struggling abit.

So i go to the toilet, get ready a few DHV's, and a bit later am sitting with her again.

now let me tell you these DHV's work baby! told her about my boxing, we got onto the topic of ex's and messy breakups, got a great DHV, you tell her your view that a couple must like eachother equally, cos if not eventually one will get fed up, and explain how your gf was more into you than you were her, and although it was good at first, she eventually got upset over it etc. but a little more subtly than that to not brag.

from here i could see she was attracted, so i started qualifying i.e
what do you want to do when your older bla bla bla

i could see she was attracted and i was kinoing alot, could've gone in for K close but wanted to respect her rep as it would've drawn a lot of attention.

So anyway, i do push pull by one second kinoing and the next complaining how i need to leave etc, and then we end up both leaving at the same time, shes about to get in car so i just go here put your number in there, and she turns around and says "no, facebook me"

pretty much wasnt expecting that at all, now shes messaged me a tounge out face on fb, advice?

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OK, so im pretty buzzing right now.

Went to town today, cos the weather is shitty, werent that many HB's, but there was one walking towards me and my mate, bout 50 metres away.

I knew i wanted to approach today, so i say, right im gunna approach them 2 girls.

it was a simple low risk opener "do you know where the post office is", but bare in mind just a few weeks ago, i couldnt even ask something simple like this without getting pretty major AA.

now after doing some inner game work, there was no to very low AA! tomorow im going to a bigger busier town to test out my routines!

I can really feel this new belief/attitude when i approach, just as AA and all that crap starts to seep in, my mind is like "oh well, there just people" and i literally just feel like laughing when i approach. I actually think I would if i got rejected.

but having this care free attitude, also makes me more relaxed so must make them more relaxed too.

update after daygame 2moro!

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Ok, I wanna put down what my "structure" to day game is, in order to have it critiqued and improved, and so i can accelerate my learning.

A1: The approach

Have a rooted approach, something strongly associated with the surrounding area so that it seems as though you generally want her opinion and are not just finding an excuse to talk to her (which you are lol) maybe throw in a FTC

Social hook point : this is where you say something funny and become interesting to the set (straight outta MM i know lol)

tease/disqualifier: tease the target in some funny way that makes it obvious your not interested in her, or at least not bothered by what she thinks

transition: heres where ive never been able to do, transition into going from talking about your opener, to talking about an everyday subject.

A2: DHVs anything which builds your attraction, C & F, teasing her, push pull

A3: qualify her - go in for number close/instant date


so in practical terms

Hey, do you know where XYZ is?

no? i thought girls were ment to be shoppaholics and know where everything is- you guys must be tomboys or sumthing haha (tease and social hook point in one)

So you guys dont live from around here then? (transition)

fluff talk

say you recognise her, met a girl just like her in bla bla bla
talk about previous relationships, your view on them, which just happen to show how your pre-selected or whatever

ask her what shes doing with her like aka what shes doing at college and what she wants to do as a job
OR
ask her what sports shes into after telling her its important for everyone to have something there passionate about

then number close

critique it to death, particularly interested to hear opinions from those who do daygame.

Ive only got up to transition never been able to complete this but give me time lol,
so it may seem a little....shit, but hey thats why i want your opinions

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