I've started to feel that most HB8s and below are pretty easy to open and game, while I keep hitting a wall with HB8.5-HB10s. This has been a recurring thing, and I'm starting to feel like there are some fundamental differences when approaching girls who must get approached all the time (the 10s).

Any ideas, and please don't just say "neg more" unless you've had the same experience and realized that's truly key. And if so, are harder negs appropriate for hotter girls, more negs, or what? Also, I feel like hotter girls' numbers go colder faster. Any experience with this?

Any advice appreciated, although I could really use help from someone who has experienced a similar "ceiling" and has broken through.

Thanks!

Game the girl not her looks.

I am okay at gaming HB8-10s when I'm on a night out. That means so far it has worked well when we weren't total strangers i.e. friends of friends of friends

Where I hit a wall is after that. When I text or fb HB8s and below the next day or day after, I usually not even have to lead up to it and they'll agree to go out for a drink.
But HB9-10s often get different and weird the next day or after a few days. I know that they're probably testing me, but sometimes they don't even reply at all....
I think if I could get them into a normal conversation afterwards I'd be okay, but usually it doesn't get there. I need a routine how to behave after having met them and exchanged numbers/fb

There is a huge difference in gaming a HB8 and below; and HB9 and up.

HB8 and below are easier to approach, more responsive, more down to earth.
If you make a mistake during your game, it is ok.

HB9 and HB10's are tough. Because they are approached everyday, everywhere, anytime. AFC put so many effort to impress them. This makes their shield is so up to anyone. And they will test you like crazy! If you make one small mistake, then she's gone.

Negging + DHV + Not needy + Self-confident + ESCALATE.

-> do the opposite of what AFC do

Stupid question, but by "escalating" do you mean simply making a move and not hesitating? lol

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i think he means upping your game but i could be wrong. im still trying to get to grips with the acronyms used here

Yeah, I dig that, but I think there's more to it. I think playing your game flawlessly as you did with an HB8 won't get nearly the same effect with even an HB9. I'm trying to figure out what the difference is -- how to 'hook' the HB9s in the same way you do the HB8s. I guess it could come down to the negs, but that sounds too simple, and I think hot girls deal with guys trying to act like 'assholes' or whatever to get them.

Maybe the trick is initiating a conversation and seeming completely aloof?

There is NO difference. You are only thinking there is a difference because of their looks. Meaning its in your head. If you really want a higher closing rate then as I mention above game the girl not her looks. Gaming her looks will give you a lower closing rate as you are gaming off thing that may or may not be true. You can't assume all HB8+ are the same. To be honest they are really no different than any other girl out there.

Fair enough. I'll focus on myself and try to notice if I'm acting differently. I've been noticing a trend, but it could be because of me and not them.

Still down to hear other opinions.

Thanks!

That's the key, work on yourself. The only common factor between that string of 8, 9, 10s is YOU. and the only thing you can have any impact on is how YOU game. Not on their responses, you can attempt to skew their responses by being the authentic version of yourself. In the end they will make their own mind up and you can impact but cannot change their decisions.

So work on the one common denominator, your game and your abilities.

Agreed. My guess is what is going on is the op thinks he has to treat hotter girls different well because they are hotter and society "dictates" that hotter girls should be treated different and such people in PUA seem to also carry the same mindset and think hotter girls need to be gamed differently because well they are hotter and then go on to justify it by saying all this stuff about hotter girls are bla bla bla. Once guys realize that hotter girls are really no different from less attractive girls getting a hot girl is really not an issue.

The hottest girls aren't approached most, simply because most guys don't have the balls to approach them and would settle for the less attractive.

I am not sure if approaching the hottest girls is harder - just different. I think you actually need to pull out some of the game and focus more on how you treat her just like any girl.

The hotter she is, the smaller the margin for error. So with a true 10, a woman who looks like she just walked out of a Victoria's Secret catalog, you have to be perfect in every way. And that only gives you a *chance* of picking her up.

You can't control the mood she's in, or the logistics. If she's a 10 then it means she can wait for a guy who has perfect game, who's tall, dark, rich and GQ-handsome. (Granted, that guy's probably going to cheat on her, but that's not the point. Attraction isn't rational.)

So if you really want to go for 10s, you better be ready to play the numbers game, which is hard because there aren't many 10s.

They have no memory for men. Getting her phone number is almost pointless. You have to make your move that night, get her home and close the deal before she has a chance to think about it. And then you keep her cloistered away as long as possible, so that she has that familiarity with you.

The idea of getting her number, then text-gaming her into coffee, and all that... she doesn't have the time or the interest.

Sorry, but with 10s, "neg more" really is the best advice. Actually, I'd say "neg better." You have to know exactly what kind of neg will get through her bitch shield, make her feel a moment of insecurity and tension. That's some Jedi-mind shit... or else it's just a matter of getting really, really lucky.

"They have no memory for men. Getting her phone number is almost pointless. You have to make your move that night, get her home and close the deal before she has a chance to think about it. And then you keep her cloistered away as long as possible, so that she has that familiarity with you.

The idea of getting her number, then text-gaming her into coffee, and all that... she doesn't have the time or the interest. "

I completely agree with this, and I think this is the key problem with HB10s -- not their personality or snottiness but their schedules and options. There are a ton of HB8s out there, so they'll only get hit on so often since the interest is spread out more. Hot girls get offered dick ALL THE TIME, and it's surely done so by some guys who know how to talk to girls and who have a lot of social value.

From personal experience, I can say that I'm a pretty busy guy with a lot of social options, and I know the feeling of not wanting to waste time meeting up with someone. I think the HB10s you have to game hard and fast, and you have to make an extra effort to be memorable and create comfort. Be especially set on making time with you seem way better than all the other options out there.

I'll play this in the field a bit more, but I do think gaming HB10s might be tough since numbers go cold and openings become forgettable since they experience so many.

Thoughts?

my opinion hb 9-10 maybe harder to open, easier to game, but they do not settle, they are more selective... now my 10 and your 10 may be different, my 10 is a girl with a big fat ass, no waste coco, kim kardashian, your 10 maybe anglina jolie(in my eyes she is a 2), some guys 10 is rosie odonell, your `10 my 10 is only decided by you, for me my girl is a 10 for a friend of my she is a 7...People got different taste...Americans for what i know like skinny girls huge boobs, latin and blacks we like fat asses... so your 10 and my 10 may differ, i wish the community do something about this stupid ass ranking system, i would never ever date a lot of the girls the pua call 10...

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