Haha fightclub nice.

Yes it may seem cult-like except that there is no belief system being followed on that site. It is a forum specifically for one-on-one engagement seeing that there is no-you by having all your questions destroyed by someone who is already 'liberated'. This is proving to be damn effective due to the one-on-one nature and the 'ruthless' style - ie. no bullshitting, just brutal honesty.

Sign up to the forum and we can take this to the arena if you are genuinely intrigued, thats why I made this post.

Tolle no doubt had this very realisation but he never ever pointed at how to get it - he just talks about some fluffy thing called awareness which is highly ineffective to triggering such a realisation. All that need be done is to LOOK and see that there is no you. To actually do this in real life. No think about it. Not imagine that its been seen. But to see it in such a direct way that it will never be 'forgotten'.

This is not about removing the ego, its about seeing once and for all that there is actually no ego (or self). It doesn't exist. And it only takes a second to honestly look and see it. The difficulty is getting people to be honest enough to look, because they get so caught up in their conditioned belief systems/ideas about what enlightenment is (destruction of ego) and expectations of what is supposed to happen.

@AvihooI
This assumes nothing. You are assuming that it assumes things.
All I'm saying is to look and see where this 'you' that is imagined to be the liver or 'your' life is? There isn't one. The imagined 'you' is time, for it past and not real now. So yes time is a concept because there is only ever now....everything that ever happens, or has happened happens now, is that not obviously true?
So any personality or self that most people believe themselves to be....is a collection of past thoughts/memories about experiences - and its not real.
But trying to be now, or awareness or any of that bullshit is just replacing the 'I' concept with another.
So the only way to do this is to recognise the truth that there is no you.

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Two things:
1. Would an asteroid be able to stop its movement by realising that the past events which have brought about its velocity do not really exist?
2. In order to grasp a notion such as 'there is no you'. One must grasp a notion such as 'you' in the first place. Meaning that this philosophy can only exist in a certain 'present'. In other words, if the past that created this philosophy doesn't really exist then so doesn't this philosophy.

If I were you I'd dump this detrminental pretentious notion of "there is no you". And replace it with the idea that the present is the point of view that does in fact has most of the power. The 90%-10% rule. The past has a 10% effect on us, but the present - what we make of it is the remaining important 90%. Life is a composis of what we have decided to do in the past and how we cope with it in the present. It's not ONLY the present. Heck, even the present makes no sense as only a figment of time. It is always relative to the past.

1. Dont see the value of this.
2. The notion of 'no-you' actually points to something in real life, unlike the notion of 'you' which exists only as a notion.

The present is the only 'time' that actually exists at any moment. The past is past and can only be imagined, meaning it doesnt exist now. The future is not now so can only be imagined.
The notion that there is an actual 'you' living your life is not true now, or in the past or in the future....it is always imagined and thus only exists as imagination (thought).

Its not a real thing and only exists as a collection of past thoughts tied together by this 'I' thought which refers to NOTHING that is actually real here. Look to see if thats actually true.

Yes the mind/body are always in relation to the past because they are real. They gather experience and age etc.
But the self is not, because it hasn't existed ever in any moment ever, so it cant be real in the past, now, or the future.
There is nothing there.

Do you see this? Just take a look at what happens as 'you' read this.
There is the reading of this by the individual body/mind system...but there is no 'person' involved anywhere in the experience.
There is no you.

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There is more than just one sense in the body. Just because you cannot see it does not mean that it is not there. Just because you cannot see "you" does not mean "you" dont exist.
I sort of get what your saying but again there is more than just sight. Sexual Tension is a good example. It is not visable. Yes the actions of each person is visable such as the touching, the way they look at eachother, and other things that are indicators of sexual tension but you cannot actually see the sexual tension. I can sure as hell feel it though.
"Sexual tension is just an imagined word attached to a feeling attached to an emotion which only occurs when certain chemicals are released in the brain."
I imagine an answer like this which i hope you dont give. Although im sure yours would be much smarter and more philosophical.

So let's say I realize that there is no "me"....then what happens

Actually I came to read a few bits on that website which harbours the 'there is no you' notion. The leader of that CULT is a freakin' MEGALOMANIAC who thinks he's Jesus Christ, Mohammed and Moses all combined together. I think you should STAY AWAY from it. Period.

Cheers. No more commenting on this thread from my part.

The leader of it is Ciaran, once a great PUA.

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I have bursts of being a lady, but it doesn't last long.

Yes Im not saying that feelings/emotions/sexual tension/thoughts etc. dont exist.
Because yes they do.

The thing is, they don't happen TO anything.
There is no FEELER of sexual tension.
Its just sexual tension.
The tension isnt felt by anything, its just exists as tension.
It isn't caused by a self.

Instead of asking what happens, why not just look to see if there could be something in this. See for yourself if its true.
Was there anything there to realise anything in the first place?

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Mention genuine interest, describe someone you don't like, proceed to tell others to stay away from checking for themselves, and make your escape.

How brave.

If a site like that had anything to do with the man, it could not exist as it does.
The only reason it keeps growing is because there is something true there.
CULTS are dependent on beliefs, this is not.

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emde..With all due respect, I think that you have been proposing things without actually taking the responsibility of enlightening us.. If there is no you?? What is you??

I know what you mean by illusion and I'm aware of the primary source from which its derived. Illusion is better known as MAYA.. It exists in ancient hindu texts and describes what is real and what is not.. It goes as far as to say that the whole world is a MAYA..an illusion..If you have seen the movie matrix, you can see that much of it has been derived from the old school of thought..

Coming to your point.. If there is no you?? what is you?? As Tolle has described, he claims that he has reached a level of awareness that Buddha took a life time to realize (No offense meant)...

I have one thing to ask.. Have you realized what is you or have you liberated yourselves from the thoughts of being you??

If you are talking spirituality, I believe that spirituality is no different from science..Everything spiritual has a scientific explanation.. The connection just hasn't been established yet..

Consider me as an average dumb person and take up the responsibility of proving to us what you preach.. We are ready to believe every word you utter if you can prove it to us..or atleast guide us to reach that point..

The self is MAYA - that is what Buddha took all that time to realise, and that Tolle and jesus etc. Its all the same, and its not as incredible as it sounds.

The realisation is that there is no self to become enlightened.
So to say I have realised it doesnt really mean anything, but using this subjective language YES I have.

Its like a catch 22. People go crazy trying to become enlightened - meditating in caves for 20 years, drinking jungle drugs, going to church. A lot of stupid shit.
And its all because of the belief that there is a SELF that can be 'improved': enlightened.
But the very thing that is the illusion, is that which wants enlightenment.

So the way to realise this is by looking honestly and directly at experience as it is happening, and locating the YOU that is imagined to exist.

Example:
"I am reading this text." Is that true? Or is there reading, without an 'I' doing it?
Where does the thought originate? Is there a you who thought it?

You must take responsibility for this, nobody can do it for you.
The self that you think you are, is simply another thought, 'I', attached to other thoughts. The 'I' doesnt refer to anything in real life.

Forget all about the concepts of what is actually there, and first of all see what is not there - the subject, YOU.

PM me if you are serious about this

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I know what you mean emde.
There is no past, there is no future. So that means that everything that you think as yourself is false , because when you think of your self, your thinking about "you" in either the past or future. For ex- If you fucked up everything in your life, that doesnt mean your a fuck up. You fucked up , yes, but looking at it in a deeper perspective , your not a fuck up. Its kind of hard to explain because its so simple. Its so simple that people think theres more to it than that , and they'll look at it and say its useless.
Good post emde

Inner game composes of true real life skills that people often make seem more complicated than they are. Inner game is nothing more than having discipline, will power, patience/diligence, and maintaining motivation towards your goals. All this can be done by doing simple things like cleaning your room, going towards those weight loss goals, studying hard to pass a test to get into a good school. All require focus, discipline, force of will power, and staying motivated.

All this other spiritual hogwash happens to be complete and utter useless junk that only belongs in fantasy books. It is good to have spiritual enlightenment, but spiritual enlightenment might not be for everyone.

So if you want girls it's simple, plan, overcome constraints, work on weak areas, buffer strengthens, do the unpleasurable tasks like approaching groups or families of grown women, and constantly drill your self to these tasks. It is when one becomes disciplined and has confidence in his abilities that true inner game exists. I think deep in our hearts it something that most people know. But most make it more complicated than it is. They would rather see complexity and adversity, than simplicity and solutions.

It's hardwired into the human brain, and the only effective way to overcome this is to rewire the brain to like certain stimuli from certain actions. So again it's really simple. Inner game is only:

1.) Self-Discipline
2.) Will Power
3.) Patience and Diligence
4.) Motivation

That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

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