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Not sure what your concept of natural game is, but what you write above is way off. But then again you know that, because of what you write below. Whatever your definition, natural game cannot just be adherence to the status quo. It is not doing what comes "naturally" to you. That's a semantic confusion. As you point out below, natural game is harder initially, because you are pushing yourself more (not less). Not only do you do new things that are uncomfortable to you, but you do so without canned material in your back pocket.
I am aware of natural game, in all it's forms. Natural game has come to mean many things nowadays. Originally it only referred to true naturals, who were naturally good with women without any training at all. Then it referred to people who tried to mimic naturals, and use their nuances with women as a basis for approaching women. Then it referred to pua's who mixed direct game/ mimicking of true naturals/ inner game training / alpha training; into a new hodgepodge of pua which they referred to as natural game in order to sell products.
But in this situation I was referring specifically to guys who use the guise of "natural being best" as an excuse to not push themselves to work and grow at pua. I know there are a lot of guys which are using natural game in a productive manner, but my previous post was not aimed at them.
Also Canned material exists for a reason. If you had read my previous posts, you would have understood what I think it's purpose is. Canned material is for training purposes. So many guys are dumbstruck and tongue tied during social interactions with women, that they need canned material in order to attempt to approach at all. Canned material allows them to get their feet wet and get experience, so they can ultimately grow to a point where interacting with women is fluid and natural. That's the basis of pua: Take interacting with women, and turn it into a program that any guy can follow step by step to improve their skills with women. That's what pua is. Pua isn't: try to deal with women, and good luck with that. That's why pua exists, so that every guy doesn't have to learn everything about women from scratch, and doesn't have to test everything out from scratch. I believe I did mention, however, that the ultimate goal is to eventually surpass whatever pua system you start out with and become natural.
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First, you should not need external factors (e.g. 50 SNLs a year) to feel good about yourself. It's healthier to figure out what you like about yourself and what you don't. Keep the former, fix the later. The one concession I'll make to the OP is this: don't help your self esteem by telling yourself your awesome and too good for anyone who doesn't think so. That's delusional and misguided.
What helps someone with low self-esteem is success. Regardless if that success is small or if it is obtained from canned material, it's still success. The worst thing for someone with low self-esteem would be to initially fail at something he is already insecure about.
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Second, won't you reach a point with canned game where your confidence relapses? If I sucked with women, memorized a few routines, and got laid with them, I'd feel increasingly pathetic with each lay. Because the girl goes home with me because I've learned to pretend I'm someone other than who I am. Maybe it's an easy truth to ignore, but I'd feel like a bit fake.
Again, I answered that. Ultimately you grow beyond your pua system. That's just the basic training, then you gain insight beyond the system. Same could also be said for your "natural game", just because you slap a "natural" sticker on it, doesn't mean it's not a form of pua and isn't somewhat manipulative. You are still learning to be better with women, just because it's "natural" doesn't mean that it isn't an additional skill set that you learned specifically to pick up women. If you went back to the way you were before "natural game", would you still get women? So the only difference it that you justify your game by saying "its a part of who you are" and you've "changed", but the truth is it's still just adlibbed improvised game.
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Third, and building on the previous point, one thing has bothered me about PU. The fact that you take someone else's material to make pretend you are desirable to women. Seems like pulling a scam on the fairer sex. Whereas if you use your own material, you win and lose on your own merits. Which leads into my next point.
Again it's the same thing, except you're improvising instead of reading lines, is it some much more honest and moral just because you have to think on the spot? You may not have lines, but you are still filled with ideas and concepts about women and relationships that did not come from you. And you entire interaction may not be scripted, but you are following a basic outline and rulebook on how to deal with women. If you were truly so unique and autonomous, you would be a true natural and not need to learn anything. And again I only suggest using other people's material as part of initial training.
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Fourth, I'll respect the boring guy who makes his life more interesting. Yet I'll look down upon the average guy who tells fake stories (DHV) to seem cool.
To me natural game comes down to this:
1. Identify appealing traits and adopt them (rather than learning how to fake them).
2. Use your own mind/words instead of memorizing someone else's.
3. Learn to be at piece with and by yourself. Learn that you don't need women as much as you enjoy them. Despite my oversized libido, I frequently choose friends, new and old, over sex with 8s-10s.
In one phrase, use some introspection, treat the disease and not the symptoms. You'll find your encounters with women more genuine and thus enjoy them more.
What you just described is
not natural game, it's inner game improvement and it is a part of almost every pua system ever written. I have huge respect for inner game work. It's, in my opinion, the most important aspect of game, because it has the greatest effect on one's life and it is a life long process. That being said, you cannot focus on inner game, to the point that your outer game is nonexistent. There must be a balance or else you are improving yourself to no end. So I believe guys should sarge as much as they can, however they can, so they get the life experience and perspective.
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