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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:13 am 
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I found this sexy blond HB9, 19 yo, in Badoo. She totally looks like an escort girl. Tried to make conversation with her a few times but only got meaningless replies. So I said 'Fuck it!', and asked her:

"Hey, are you an escort? Please don't take this an insult if you aren't, but if you are I would like to hire you for a couple of hours one of these nights, to improve my image at the clubs. If you have a hot friend like you I might want to hire both of you."

Next day day she replied giving me her email and her facebook ID, asking to talk more on the deal.

Now I have her in MSN and FB and (judging by her profile) apparently she is just a low class model, who works in car tuning shows.

I almost started to chat with her today, but I am not sure of how do PUA's use models for social proof. What should I include in the deal? Do we pretend to be close friends, FBF or an open couple?

As my budget is limited and all I want is to try this stuff and learn, my idea is to hire her for a couple of hours, open a few sets and then send her home. Estimating by the cost of the standard escort in this city, I could only pay one or two of these fake dates per month.

Also, I have been out of the club scene for ages, and maybe this partygirl/model can bring me up to date faster.

And I know this is very unlikely to happen but, is it required to set prior limits in case there is some attraction? Because it would be weird to do kino and stuff with a girl that I am paying.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:14 am 
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Wow dude wow. That is just sad. I think you need to fix
your inner game.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:22 pm 
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Why sad? Really, I fail to see what's wrong with the idea.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:30 pm 
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Women would pick up on it. They would smell the fact that you are payig her. seriously.

Do it the hard way, game some girls, establish a new social circle, and then start from there.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:53 pm 
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Who doesn't just fancy not having to put work in one night? Hire social proof- limo, photographer even... go all out to have the night of your life- see what being a celebrity feels like.

I say go for it, just don't make it a frequent occurance :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:40 am 
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Ok I don't know why nobody wants to help you here.

Anyways, I have not used a wingwoman so I can't give you any of my own adice. However I remember on Mystery's show the pick up artist they had Tara( I think thats her name) be a wing woman. Also I read up on it googling it.

Pretty much the concept is you go to a club with her and act like friends have her show you how to have fun without being possesive of you. This will make women want to hag with you since your cool. That is more of a passive method.

Your wingwoman can start conversating with other girls and then take them to your table and you can now join in the conversation. This is an active method.

Personally I would not pay for a girl to be my wingwoman. But I think it is a good tool if you can afford it. Best thing to do is have a female friend that would do it for free.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:13 am 
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Thanks Faust23.

Today I was having a drink with a fellow rAFC and told him about the idea. Neither did he understand why I was thinking of paying a girl for that.

The thing is that, since I entered the journey, I have tried to get into the nightgame asking some old female friends to go out and have some drinks with me. All of them (about half dozen) thought I was asking them out on dates and rejected the offer. As I am totally in friend zone, it is understandable that they reject a date, but I don't know what the hell I am doing to convey that neediness.

My friend thinks that I should be totally honest with my female friends and explain the kind of things I need from them, but it sort of sounds creepy. My friends are urban professionals, kind of conservatives. I don't see them introducing me to other girls.

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How I see it is that you want something but you want to achieve it the wrong way.
What you want is to DHV some girls in a club so that they will think you have value and they will want them to take you home and shag the brains out of you.

The problem I see (besides the fact that you pay that girl) is that you need congruence: lets say you show high value by having a hot friend with you, then you will have to "show" the save value with the rest of your interactions with the girls or they will spot that very quickly and come up with some lame excuse to leave.

But if you try to step up your inner game and after that your approaches and stuff, then you will be congruent.

Also instead of paying a hot chick to make you look cool, you can start hanging out with a PUA or a natural who will bring chicks to you circle and who will teach you things.

So in stead of trying a shortcut, try to take it slowly but surely and later on the girl you were trying to pay to be with you at a club will want to pay you to go out with her.

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The problem with pivots in general is that they have to have fairly good understanding of the game in oder to help you if you're not on top of your game. I think you'll be wasting your money at this point since you're not in a place where you could take full advantage of having a hot "friend" for social proof, you'd have to have a solid game plan and teach her stuff about game for her to act as a pivot. Next issue is that you could actually have more AA in front of this girl despite the fact you're paying her. I agree with the above poster, having a natural wingman beats all that, he'll build a ton of social proof for the both of you.
That being said, is there a way you could make this girl your friend, maybe play the sympathy card, you being a good guy and just need a little help in getting back to the club scene? Instead of paying her, offer to buy some rounds for her and her friends or something. If they like you enough they'll take you out again and you'll meet new people and maybe even actually befriend those hot girls and end up in a sweet spot where you don't have to pay for anything.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:07 am 
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From what I read in PUA books best way to make a girl think its not a date, invite others. Instead of asking 1 girl out to a bar and her thinking its a date. Ask a guy friend her and even one of her firends. Best to make it odd muber 3 or 5 people, 4 might sound like a double date. So say hey (insert her name) want to go to (insert bar) with me and a few friends. If you work with her cowworkers can make it seem like an office thing. Then you can ask her another night and make it just you two since she is now comfortable about being at a bar with you.


Now as for turning a friend into a wingwoman. I have never done but I would guess being straightforward and tell her your true intensions.


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