The title says it all please read, i don’t use the word 'please' often. But i wanted to appeal to as much of a audience on this as possible, and as men we connect to words such as heartfelt, and please read, worth your time. So why not.

I skipped 4 FR that occurred over the weekend to write this, so check it out.

In my field report on this form there is a post about a girl who was into me, a HB who i meet in the art gallery. 8.5 +

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As all my sarges they have a beginning, a middle, and a end! so far everyone but 1 girl has flaked but that was due to my intolerance of her feminine ways. (you meet girls like that)

So anyway this HB 8.5, i suppose ill use her real name now, Emily, and i went out, she had a bf so we couldn’t do much! our date was a comfort building one, suffice you to say it was amazing, we clicked on so many levels, any girl i sarged just seemed like horse shit compared to her. She was the real deal, a unique individual not a sheep not anything you’d consider as second nature! She was well off, dated many rich people prior her value just sky roofed and i was at the top shooting the shtiz with her. So anyway we were sitting around talking all day, id occasionally jump on her tickel her, shed jump back on me, it was sweet. Id move her around the place or push her into walls while we were walking.. just good times.. very memorable! later we meet up again maybe a week later, and she could see the frustration in my eyes, she liked me and what i was doing was working ie, tell her about girls i like so on, testing for iois i was receiving them well, shed say ' it makes me feel sick deep down that you have other girls chasing you, i thought you had a crush on me?' so id get positive indicators that it was a go. When we meet up that second time, everything we did just clicked, it was so annoying, like id write a number between 1- 10 shed get it, and it wasn’t 7 or 3, or id pick something and then shed pick it out, or id say something and shed finish the sentence, wed think the same way.. i had hit Connection. And also a wall... I wasn’t able to continue from connection into kissing and then into S1 and S2, possibly my failure as a PUA? i don’t really know, or maybe it was one of the 5 girls that wont cheat on their bf? either way what i was heading at wasn’t working. Later that evening we talked on msn, and she told me she was attracted to me but she had a bf ra ra, and how what she feels is only normal but theres nothing she can or would do, and that id get over it. That’s when i realized i was starting to lean towards friend zone. It sucks! She started telling me how friends have more of a substance then anything else.. Bitter male feeling came too.. i had done something wrong, i had shown her a side of my cards that she didn’t have to see. I had messed something up, or maybe i had played the game perfectly but the fact that she has a bf didn’t allow me to continue.

It fucking hurts inside, yeh.. i know the feeling, maybe me feeling this is wrong? maybe the best pickup artist doesn’t need to feel this and has transcended his skills so much so that he gets the girl every time? I dont really know. I just wish i had one of these puas at hand. So i could ask him to sarge and win over -> F close my set. So i could rethink my game. Because I sarged this girl really fucking well, I put a lot of effort into my game, so id love to see me fall through to and figure out where i did my mistakes and continue on from there.

Either way she’s a great friend i can use her for social proof or for whatever other bullshit i plan to have her do.. Or as im thinking i should hit the delete key and erase her number from existence, and if she calls dont pickup.

Don’t know really what to do.
Any questions? comments? im happy to hear! feedback yeh? will be good!

What she said.

sounds good but i have felt attracted to you, its not that i havnt, but i have a boyfriend that loves me and i do love him, so there is nothing i can do, or i will do. I dont deny that i find you attractive though, but thats just human to aknowledge that
30/10/2007 1:25:21 AM: and im sure my bf finds other girls attractive, but i just have to know within myself that i wont cheat, and im sure i wouldnt, i might feel like it sometimes, thats just my nature, but i know thats thats just human instinct, thats why i over ride it and have found friendship is way better

I think ill be okay, i just need to hit a few hbs, and try again! different people different stuff, mite be cool!

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Wow bro.

#1 reason why most women are retarded:Emotions.

Well Impact, realize that

1)It's not your fault. You did EVERYTHING right.
2)She led you on. She WAS attracted to you, but didn't have the maturity to tell you she was faithful to her BF.
3)It's apparent LJBF, and SHE'S responsible for that.

I've had this happen to me. I'll reiterate it verbatim (Substituting BB for my real name)

HB:Yea BB, I gotta be honest, I like you, but I'm not sure I know where I want this to go.
BB:...ok.What's that supposed to mean?
HB:Well, you know I have a BF. I just cant bring it to myself to cheat on him.
BB: It's that strong of a connection, huh? Well, make a decision. I care about you, both as a person and a potential partner, but I need to know if your serious about this.
HB: I know. This is really confusing. But, I'm thinking that, most likely, we can be friends, as friendship is longer lasting.
BB:...Um, what?
HB: Why? What's wrong with friendship?
BB:...Are you fucking serious?! You're gonna throw everything WE worked towards away because YOU feel like dropping the Friend Zone bit?
HB:But BB, I said I like you...
BB:If you did, you wouldn't bring up the friend zone. I've been there pookie. I know what friends means, and in reality, that's insulting what we worked for. That's fucking selfish.
HB: are YOU fucking serious? I'm offering to be a friend, and you're casting that aside all because you want ass?
BB:Oh, so now all I want is ass! Oh yea, forget the fact that all the time I was telling you what I liked in a girl, I was talking about YOU! And now you want to put conditions on OUR potential relationship? Fuck that. I've had enough of that crap. Go to your little dweeb BF. You'll soon realize what you missed out on.

...and that was that. They're still dating, and boy, are they pathetic.

Listen dude, sometimes, you gotta be the bigger man, and cut women off when they try to take control. If it's headed to disaster/LJBF, BE THE ONE WITH THE LAST LAUGH. If she aint thinking about you in regret, you fucked up.

YOU are the prize. NOT HER. Just like they shoo off guys who try to have simple convo with them, you should blow off any who give you unecessary shit.

...god, it's post like these that make me infuriated with the majority of women.

And the odd thing is...I love women, as people and sexual potential. It's just the times when they purposefully fuck with guys that INFURIATES me.

Regardless, dont worry Impact. It sucks, but it's back to square one. Hopefully this time, it'll turn out to be wonderful.

What is going on Impact. You have been around here longer than I have. You have encountered a girl that you want as a partner and can not close. Same to you BB.

You both went out on a limb and expressed your feelings and can not get passed LJBF...... PUA stuff has one piece that is severely lacking. How to manage a relationship. David DeAngelos stuff really helps with this area.

But you two are not in that area yet. You both expressed how much you like them before the F-close........ Before they were committed to you. You both lost complete frame to them by conveying 'I want you and you are telling me I can not have you'. That is AFC. I have been there as well. I will be there again. But what I am disappointed with is saying that everything was done correctly (which it was not) and then attacking the girl.

"If she aint thinking about you in regret, you fucked up."
No only do I disagree with you and disgusted by this, the majority of the people on this board will agree that this is not what we are about.

Remember to leave them better than you found them.


Impact, no girl is ever lost.
If you really do like this girl and believe she is relationship material, it is obvious what you need to do.

Stop being AFC. You went out with her and then talked to her on IM at night on the same day. You know better than this. Stop it. Limit the time that you make yourself available to her. You know cat string theory as well as I do. Now use it.

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Double Your Dating by DD
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That is true Valence. Impact may have his scenario, and as for me, I knew EXACTLY what I was doing and what would happen.

not to brag, as that isn't the point I want to make across, but I've been with a lot of women since college started and now at work. With this one particular girl, she's been known to be a tease, and not at the top of my priority.

My thing is, when a girl uses the LJBF gambit, that means game over on her part. I've did disarments, and tried to sway some of the girls I've seen away from that path through doing what I would have normally done (Diffuse the topic while keeping my value up), but it all ends up the same, no matter what level of game you've reached.

She's brought this up 3 previous times before, and I've manged to sway away. She was still kinoing and playing along, but now I was looking at her more as one of my regular flirts than GF potential (She did have potential).

The thing was that, by saying LJBF over 4 times before, she was either making a mockery of all the rapport and intimacy we were building up, or simply didn't know the impact LJBF entails.

It was immature of her part, and I decide to call out on it. Oddly enough, she still says hi, but it's a distant kind. She's a bit more repressed, and I'm just non-responsive. She messed up, she needs to win me back.

As for Impact, it happened to end that way. Although it is crippling, it can be overcome with talking to new women.

Valence, you have a very good point, and that's why I'd like to share something I realized after a good 2 and a half years into the game:

Women mess up too. Not all of them know everything, and they mess up just like us. When we, as PUAs, place all blame on ourselves, that is an inaccurate outlook on the situation. Some fault is with the woman, and In my case, she was handling the relationship in an immature manner. Perhaps she wasn't experience in balancing guys, or maybe she's never had that adventurous attitude towards sexual relatonships. Doesn't matter. She toyed with me for no reason, logical or emotional, and therefore got the boot.

Perhaps I was a bit too harsh. Regardless, trust me, when women are messing with you, it's not fun. It's fun to have a mutual connection and fun time, but it's not fun to test for reasons other than a measure of congruency or a sign that it's a good idea for the girl to go along with the situation.

...we arent perfect, and neither are the women we meet. That's why it takes two to make something work. We put our best, and she puts her best, and THAT'S what makes the relationship magical.

Anything done selfishly...is a red flag.

...the dark side of PU is not a pretty sight. This is it.

But let's not dwell on this. Remember, the ultimate goal of a PUA is NOT only to have meaningful, sexual relationships with women, but to also ascend in all other aspects of life. Sometimes, in order to do that, we must make bold moves to take that step forward that could have otherwise never been taken.

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Some interesting points brought up here, by both BB, and Valance, and I agree with both sides at diffrent times.

But now lets add a third possibility. You can make sure this chat never happens in the first place as Valance said, You can confront when this happens as BB suggests, or you can deflect.

Personally I preffer to deflect these types of situations... it buys you time, can be used to build conditioning, gives you a chance to get back into your normal frame, can be used to create a role reversal among other positives.

She's not saying "No" she's saying "Know" as in she doesn't know enough yet to say yes. The fatc that she wan't to get out in the open that your gunna be in the friend zone now is for one reason only, her concious. She's feeling guilty because she wants to be with you... this is a good sign. If you deflect you can keep up what your doing because she's at the breaking point...

How I would deflect

HB: blah blah blah your so great blah blah LJBF?
ME: The you go trying to get in my pants again!
HB: What? (or sarcasticly- Oh yeah thats exactly what I'm trying to do)
ME: Yup always trying to get in my pants
HB: What every she says cut her off, but in a playfull way. also act like you didn't hear it at all
ME: I'm not just some sexy piece of man meat ok!?
HB: I know your not... thats why I want to be friends
ME: Oh I get it
HB: Yeah bla bla bla (cut off again)
ME: Thats what you call guys who your trying to seduce... "friends"
HB: Trying to object (cut her off)
ME: I guess since your pretty cool... and I'm feel generous I could arrange that
HB: Is probably a bit pissed trying to object now... don't let her
ME: Well I gotta run... I'll see ya later... "friend"


Personally I'd try to deflect at least once or twice before I eject completely.

And I agree with BB though... personally I don't ever go into the LJBF zone unless I'm the one initiating that status (eg. More value to me as a Pivot then a FB)

I feel you man. You fund this amazing girl and she's out of reach. I totally understand and see the first symptoms of one-itis. Why do people always want what they can't get? but I'm not here to throw another fitful of dirt in your grave.

She likes you, she's attracted to you, but you still don't give her reason enough to drop her bf for you. If you want to have a serious relationship with this girl you need to prove to her that you are capable. This means keeping in touch (no, do not delete her number yet!) continue going out with her, teasing her and doing what you've been doing till now. On the other hand keep seeing other women. GET IN A RELATIONSHIP! Make yourself unavailable to her while showing her that you can offer her just as much, if not more, than what her bf has to offer.

I'm not a relationship expert, but I know that girls want one just as bad as men want sex. I know that if you show her that you have more to give she will choose you over him. All that's left for you is to play it off like it is your choice and you should be doing well.

BTW, you can PM me with more details and I could give you mor detailed advice.

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Anyone can walk into a bar and pick up a random girl.
The trick is to make the experience unforgettable to her.
A real PUA will make every women he encounters feel like she experience something once in a lifetime.

IMPACT this is what we do! she have a man and that suck but if you REALLY LIKE HER then shes yours. Friend zone is just her trying to convince herself that you are what she really want. If she having relationship problem, who you think is the guy shes going to run to YOU!!! hahah but this also suck because she have a choice. For me i have done this before and it did hurt but at the same time SHE'S A CHALLENGE and i love the challenge. Its a fucking awesome feeling to get a girl that you REALLY WANT but then after that i kinda feel bad i dont know but dude right now sound like your going to that one itits stage. FUCK HER who cares be her friend and sarge other womans tell her about it and later on you see how whack she is for chosing you as a friend. I know you probally do nothing wrong with your game but dude relize you went in knowing she have a BF. WHAT DID YOU REALLY THINK? in one moment that she's not going to bring that up? Your playing with your self then if you was> that suck! AND dude play the game dont let it play you. Think quick and at moments get lost in it but never stop and think its game over..."ok i got her" thats when you die. Enjoy it and she will too just dont get all emotional on her hahah girls hate that! haha but yea bro just move on and if shes that koo then keep her as a friend you GUYS may never know but then agian could end up together and all that good shit. Black bull i agree and disagree with you i mean if i really really like that girl then i hope she regret it but if i LIKE her then i let it go off good terms. I love girls and i love the challenge. But i also want to understand the challenge. DUDE i hope i help i sometime dont understand what im saying haha.parade in Boston soon GAME ON, haha Artist

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Man, what a girl. Write her back, etc.. and tell her thanks.

Sometimes things just don't work out, bro. You can't be everything to everybody. She gave you a chance even though she was in a relationship (probably with some guy that's loaded). That a minor victory as a PUA itself. I mean seriously, even the masters get rejected before sex occasionally. Just the way it is.

In the meantime I highly advise to you to be as good of a friend as you can be. You lose nothing in the deal.

You just never know, could be a test. Hell, isn't everything a test with women? Besides maybe she's got some hot friends who are loaded.

Beyond that I think you're getting too wrapped up in this one girl you barely know. I'm not criticizing you, heck we all do it at one time or another. Just saying, take a step back, remember you come first in your life not her. Especially when she's acting not worthy.

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I was always thought that its my fault, probably was my fault for not hitting the right switch or taking something at the time! maybe i should just pulled her over pushed her against the wall and made out with her.. I dont know. But its my fault. End of story.

"Listen dude, sometimes, you gotta be the bigger man, and cut women off when they try to take control. If it's headed to disaster/LJBF, BE THE ONE WITH THE LAST LAUGH. If she aint thinking about you in regret, you fucked up."

I won't win anything by brushing her off! But if i dont do something soon ill be loosing my mind, which is probably worser off. So i do see and understand the points your making, they have validity, kudos for the part.

With Emily, well im seeing her again on Friday? this Friday! i don’t know wtf for, but we are heading to a resort place, for our next little adventure, id really appreciate any suggestions or anything regarding what i can do from here!

Its always our fault bro, no matter what! maybe i should pull away or do something, but bottom line is its our fault. This girl is not a Katya, shs not a Lisa (mysterys and styles gf) shes just a hot hb whos spiritual! I don’t think shes given me the LJBF thing, she just wants a friend genuinely. She has a boyfriend right now, she loves him, i messed up somehow, or didn’t do enough of something, so i have to watch my next moves carefully. I have to do something, because all sets are winnable. And even if i don’t win hell its social proof! she owns a fashion franchise and is rich to hell. My approach doesn’t work so i need something else.

Let me know bro! you give good advice.

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Valence

You both went out on a limb and expressed your feelings and can not get passed LJBF...... PUA stuff has one piece that is severely lacking. How to manage a relationship. David DeAngelos stuff really helps with this area.

I didn’t go out on a limb, i tryd to tap into the emotional connection ie.

"when i was at the grocery store today shopping for my friend because he drinks fanta, and i bought red bull, i dont know WHY i bought red bull, i never buy red bull. i swear recently ive been doing these stupid things and i dont know WHY"

"WHY is it every time im around you i want to buy you food and give you drinks, what’s wrong with me, i dont do this?? "

I was attempting to hit her with 'you’ve hijacked my brain' to transcend into my next phase of the game.

I have been doing cat string theory all along, push, pull so on. That’s why shes still attracted to me, and every time i call her and say we are going somewhere she goes.

Your right about the IM thing, i may have indicated my interest to her too soon before F-closing, good point, my bad! Ill rethink this idea.

Im seeing her soon, we are going away together from the city for a few hours, any suggestions on what to do next would be cool. Cat string theory hmm.. this girl reads me freaking well, itll go over hear head like anything. The i have girls chasing me thing doesn’t work anymore, i may have to go infield and demonstrate live pickup in front of her then be interested for someone else and totally blanket her off, maybe throw in a IOD?

damn its so hard to calibrate in this situation! keep the feedback coming! I appreciate it.

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The Doctor

"HB: blah blah blah your so great blah blah LJBF?
ME: The you go trying to get in my pants again!
HB: What? (or sarcasticly- Oh yeah thats exactly what I'm trying to do)
ME: Yup always trying to get in my pants
HB: What every she says cut her off, but in a playfull way. also act like you didn't hear it at all
ME: I'm not just some sexy piece of man meat ok!?
HB: I know your not... thats why I want to be friends
ME: Oh I get it
HB: Yeah bla bla bla (cut off again)
ME: Thats what you call guys who your trying to seduce... "friends"
HB: Trying to object (cut her off)
ME: I guess since your pretty cool... and I'm feel generous I could arrange that
HB: Is probably a bit pissed trying to object now... don't let her
ME: Well I gotta run... I'll see ya later... "friend" "

I've done plenty of this already. It fucks with her head pretty good , but shes caught onto the frame now shes throwing it right back

Impact: Omg you always wanna get in my pants, whatever dorkus, take a step back, this is all man here bitch cant have that.
Emily: Oh how cute your trying to impress me
Impact: Does anyone see a toilet here id like to flush this girl down!
Emily: haha, are you sure youve been trained?
Impact: Stop thinking dirty thoughts, im not your type
Emily: OMG THANK FUCKING GOODNESS FOR THAT!
Impact: did someone say something? My ego didn’t hear it, I heard a yap yap yap
Her me bla bla.. bla..

she’s catching on. If you give a girl long enough she will adapt to your game!

I’ve also tryd to plant seeds, ie, make her fill rolls

If we were married what house would we have, carpet? so on, how would our parents be?

She was receptive and responsive to that too.

Anyway im seeing her again soon so any other advice would be appreciated for this upcoming meeting.

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White_rose
Good points, you’ve got me thinking..

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Artist617
Good points too bro!

"Friend zone is just her trying to convince herself that you are what she really want. If she having relationship problem, who you think is the guy shes going to run to YOU!!"
That may cause me to be framed as her gay buddy, then im really in the LJBF zone, i need to avoid this at all cost.

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"Sometimes things just don't work out, bro. You can't be everything to everybody. She gave you a chance even though she was in a relationship (probably with some guy that's loaded). That a minor victory as a PUA itself. I mean seriously, even the masters get rejected before sex occasionally. Just the way it is.

In the meantime I highly advise to you to be as good of a friend as you can be. You lose nothing in the deal.

You just never know, could be a test. Hell, isn't everything a test with women? Besides maybe she's got some hot friends who are loaded. "

Good point, but one thing bro, i gave her the chance, she didn’t give me a chance! she’s lucky to be around me, i have other girls i can and will be with now that this is heading this way. I intend to create a jealousy plot line and make her see the value and worth at the same time do some serious pushing. Because shes framed me as this type of cool good person that likes her and shes attracted to, but what if i suddenly push her away and find a new interest? i don’t know, she may accept it, or she may deny it and go for me. Whats gay is i can get this girl in a hotel room, but then she wouldn’t let me proceed. Im at the connection point in mysterys diagram, i need to do something here. Maybe ive jumped a stepped or missed a stone.

Either way keep the comments coming guys im seeing her again this Friday! Ive got my week booked with girls which is cool, im starting to live the life i wanted, every day a diff girl!

Thanks all for your replies! and the time you took to write it.
Appreciate it.

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With all that could be said, I have this for you. Hang the string higher.

Next week?

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Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

After reading the initial post and skimming the responses since many were long winded and beat around the bush, I'm going to say that some of you were a little hard on Impact.


What happened was a part of your hard wired human instincts . We are programmed to look for someone whom we see great value in for a partner. However, while becoming a PUA you aspire to rid yourselves of those instincts, and human nature took over for you in this case. Don't look at it as you messed up, but possibly a step forward or a sign. I myself have come across this very scenario in the few past months, I knew that I knew every word to say and every step to take, but I stuttered. I was literally blown away by a female for the first time since my ex-fiance, she met all my requirements and then some. I may have slid back towards my AFC side while I was away but maybe part of me said not to work her because she was different. I'm still not sure and we still talk daily, but I know that because of her I know have a different outlook on people.


Could it be a sign that my days are numbered? Who knows. It's worth the risk to find out.

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Yeah i think we will give this post a brake, no one is really getting where im at as far as the M3 model! or where im heading.

And no im not totally blown away by her, im completely in control!. i just want to figure out what im doing wrong around her and how to resolve it! nvm

Thanks for the input guys im seeing her in a day or two, i think i have a idea of what to do.

Ill take her to a club and introduce her some chick then make her fend for herself while i chat up the other girls, and bring them over as social proof! then ill keep walking away from her, until she realizes my value! I mite even do a club make out just for fun! see how that messes with her emotions! Shes going probably give me serious shit for doing it but hey, im not your boyfriend so why not?

Should be fun, ill get back to you guys

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sounds like you need a good boyfriend destroyer routine, if it don't work, play it kool with her but cut her off, if she does leave him and you had such a great connection as you said, she'll come a knockin....

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it doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong man, sometimes we just can't game every girl no matter how on top of shit we are... hook up with a couple other chicks and see if you feel the same way about her...

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If your still pretty good friends with her, might I suggest getting using LOTS of kino. Heres a post from EasyLover I had read before I had even created an account here and it worked wonders for me. Read it. It will explain alot better than I can lol.

stop-being-a-lil-b-and-use-kino-vt8419. ... bitch+kino