Ok. So I'm wondering if there's a way to seduce with nlp that doesn't require a freakishly wierd language pattern. Do any of you guys know how to use nlp without using language patterns to seduce?[/list]

There is. Try looking over some of my older posts.
The most important thing to realize when doing Conversational Hypnosis is that one of the fundamental things in that is that it's supposed to be conversational. Hypnotic seduction has done it's bit to help people forget that, by dealing with hypnotic patterns instead of social and psychological dynamics.
This also means that if you cant successfully have a pleasant conversation with people consistently then you need to work on your conversation before working on hypnosis.

Descriptive language and being a good story-teller is not weird, unless it's out of character.
(If you suddenly change from "normal" (whatever the fuck that is) to "Hypnotist" people may freak out.)

I've done the moving orb of feelings/synesthesia thing on 3 different girls.
Two of them were totally into it and amazed, one was just like, 'wtf are you doing'
I didn't have enough comfort beforehand, I think, with the last one. I had a quick comeback without breaking state tho, so that one ended up okay anyway.

All 3 times I transitioned into it from massages on my bed.

Opening a girl in the mall with something like that? Ya, she'd most likely run away.

Conclusion: In the right setting, and if you believe in yourself, the patterns have great potential.
If you don't believe in yourself and feel weird/uncomfortable doing them, you will make her feel weird/uncomfortable.

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From my little experience, weird is ALOT better then common.

You in fact, want to be weird, they can't get you at first and then you connect (atleast from all the materials ive studied). You WANT to break the pattern of "just a normal guy".

The only thing you have to watch out for is not to go weird/creepy but go weird/interesting/cool

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ROLL the MOTHERFUCKING DICE!
STOP AT NOTHING, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
Don't get locked in on one type of style/technique/method - find what works out for you and create your own style of game!

From the unconscious hello, instant rapport, to value elicitation, to anchoring, these techniques and more can be used without any language patterns at all. Also, model a bunch of naturals, it's how I got a lot of my game. I got all the material on naturals, and I watched guys who were great with women, and then modeled them and the material. It's all about finding what is right for your personality. If you're a talkative type, who likes to go into deep conversations with a girl before he's even interested in going to bed with her, like myself, language patterns are fun, and easy to use. If you're a partier, a bar hopper, or someone who likes a little conversation, learning strong body language, and the right questions to ask, so you can elicit positive emotions, and anchor those positive emotions to yourself, become a powerful technique in your seduction repetiore.