I probably already know the answer, but my moral compass is a little skewed on this one, and my logical judgement is clouded by my "other" brain...

So there's this girl I used to fuck, some 7 years ago. She found me on facebook and we started messaging. She has a husband and two kids now. We've been messaging for the last couple days, and things are starting to intesify. Yesterday, I got the "it's on" message, where she was talking about how she was a stripper for a short while after we dated, and then she got all nostoglic about our past. Before I even got a chance to reply, she was messaging me again making sure I didn't think she was obessed with me or anything (which is code that she actually does think about me a lot). I told her I still think about her too, without committing as much, and she messaged back saying that it actually took her a few years to get over me and she thought maybe I was her first love. Now that's a little intense for me, but it's still clearly on. She lives a long way away, but she'll be in town in a couple weeks, and will be staying for a week. I said we should get together and she agreed. Maybe I shouldn't have, because I doubt I will be able to control myself. I am still very attracted to her. She's actually lost some weight since I knew her. She wasn't heavy then, but she looks incredible now.

But she has a husband and two kids. She jumps between complaining about him and saying she might move back, to saying he's a great guy and I should meet him. That's her though. She's kind of a flake/a little crazy, and that's really why I distanced myself from her in the first place.

There's something about her though. She was a lot of fun to be around. I remember my life being pretty exciting when I was with her. I haven't felt feelings like that in years. Also, she was a challenge to get in bed. There were some really intense moments before we slept together, and that tension went away pretty quickly after we did. If anything, I remember the build up. I've never had someone be so challenging to get before or since. There's something about the fact that she has a husband that brings that feeling of a challenge back. She clearly wants me to pursue her, but she'll probably resist initially but give in after making me work a little. It's the game she plays, and frankly, it's kind of hot. If she just wanted to have sex, I'd probably have no problem resisting, but it's that push-pull that she does that makes her pretty hard to resist. Everyone loves a challenge.

I'm a little torn. When I first started talking to her, I told myself there was no way I was going to have sex with her. As everything builds up, though, I can feel that sexual tension building. There's a point at which my body kicks in and starts making decisions for me. In the past I've had difficulties accepting my own sexuality, which is why I sometimes find it difficult to control myself in very tense situations. When you resist your sexuality long enough, eventually it comes back with a vengence. That's how I'm feeling now. I'm trying to accept my sexuality and respect myself. Currently, though, I don't have anyone else to sleep with to help dispel these feelings that I have. I'm trying to work on me right now, and haven't really been focusing on women. I'm not sure I was really ready to deal with this.

There's also the craziness aspect. She's just not stable. I definitely would never date her again or pursue a relationship. We never had a good relationship in the first place. We "went steady" for exactly a day, and she was all controlling and I stopped answering my phone. We broke up but continued to fuck. She's also practically illiterate. Her messages on FB are barely readible with horrible spelling and even worse grammar. It's kind of a detail I guess, but I'd expect someone I really want to date to be a little bit better educated. She's talking about very real feelings - but I'm not sure they actually mean anything to her. I just don't want her to start concocting some "I'm leave my husband and marry him"-type scenario in her head. I really just want to stick my dick in her.

The opportunity is there. Should I take it?

You most definitely should FUCK THIS GIRL. Who gives a fuck about her husband n kids. You don't know them n don't owe them shit. You don't owe anyone but yourself, n what you owe yourself is to live the most exciting fun life possible. You will get a handful of ppl on here telling you not to, but fuck morals. Fuck every idea of ways you are "supposed" to live. Their are winners, and their are losers who justify their loses by "morals". That's why there are millions of dirt poor christians waiting for a better life in the "afterlife" n alot of rich people who don't give a fuck. The quicker you can destroy your moral compass entirely, the quicker you can enjoy your freedom and enjoy you shall.

You dug this girl before n are starting to again. She is definitely into you! Fuck her silly bro. She's not gonna leave her husband n shit to be with you, but you don't want that anyways. She just wants to have some excitement in her boring marriage. She is getting that same butterfly feeling she used to, n she wants to go with it. Let her! Don't feel bad in the slightest. Keep gaming her and ENJOY the experience. Fuck guilt. It is a wasted, learned emotion. Just have fun n say who gives a fuck about her husband n kids. Then really don't give a fuck n smash HARD. Pz buddy

Morals are about more than just guity. They are about character. My goal is to be a person who embodies high character. I'm definitely not there yet, so I'm uncertain to what standard I should hold myself.

There's two sides to the argument: on one side, if I restrained myself and didn't sleep with her, I would demonstrate character develop more self-respect and dignity. If I do sleep with her, then I allow myself to open up sexually and have some fun. Really, either way is good for my development. Maybe I should worry about it less and just do what feels right when the time comes, which I'm pretty sure means fucking her brains out.

As a side note, I just reread through all her letters and realized that they are engaged and not married. It's kind of a grey area, but that definitely makes me less of a "home-wrecker" if I do sleep with her. I've actually never slept with a married woman before, but I have slept with a couple of engaged women. Just because I did it before doesn't make it right, though. Still, I think the difference between engagement and marriage is pretty big. I wouldn't feel bad in the least about doing it, I just want to make sure I'm not damaging my own dignity if I do. The more I think about it, the more I think it would actually be good for me.

Don't!!!

Karama= When your a bitch; she's a bitch!

PUA have to respect everyone and the environment around them!

Karma is a pretty weak argument. Karma is bullshit. I've been a good person my whole life, and people treat me with open disrespect as a direct result. I gotten so much bad "karma" in my life that I never earned. I just don't buy it. Karma is for chumps.

I'm not sure about respect, either. Respect is earned, not given. Also, it's more important that I respect myself first. I'm just not sure how much respect I owe the common man.

Yea, he doesn't "owe them shit". But he does owe them not fucking up their lives, just like I "owe" you to not shoot you on sight just because I don't know you. He's not going out of his way to help people, that's a personal choice and something I do because I enjoy it, not because I owe anybody. But going out of your way to do something that will really fuck other people up (even if that wasn't the goal) isn't a personal choice, it's plain wrong. I strongly advise you to steer clear of this one bro. Save everyone the grief.

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In the end, It's not about girls.

Incorrect sir. There is no right and wrong. Learn to start breaking down your dualities, and you will realize everything is exactly what it is and nothing more. Terrorist or freedom fighter??? Its the same principle. You are pushing your morality, which is really your PROGRAMMING onto another being. The only morals I have, are the ones I tell people I have .

Also, shoot me in the face if you will. You have every right to do anything you want. You are 100% FREE. You do not have to live your life by any type of code of conduct.

Your KARMA is your DOGMA. If you believe something, your manifestations will be a reflection of said beliefs. Meaning....If you believe by fucking an engaged woman, something bad will happen...something bad will happen. If you place no believe on it, then you have no "karmic" consequences. Finally....I in no way DISMISS karma, I just realize what it truly is in a more cosmic sense, and I could go into detail here, but this isnt the time or place. It is sufficient to say, if he fucks this girl, he is not going to be struck dead by a lightning bolt later. Also, when you talk about karma...what about the amazing joy he will bring this girl by reconnecting with her first love and sharing an intimate experience?!?!

Be moral, SOCIETALLY PROGRAMMED, if you want. As for me, I could not give one fuck less about the VAST majority of humans anything. If I come in contact with a girl who has a bf, or a husband, I will not care. If she's down, I'm down. You can feel morally superior...I would rather be down n dirty with some other dude's girl . Finally, the girl is no ones possesion and she can make her own choices. If she wants to fuck, its her choice as well...DONT FORGET THAT.

Why make a thread titled "Should I or Shouldn't I?" then. Good lord. Have fun living by your own personal code that will alienate you from all but the lowest members of society who share your views. On a logical level though, the whole thing could turn out to be a pain in the ass later regardless of the husband/kids.

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Every girl is different. But not TOO different.

In the end, It's not about girls.

Your a wise man Superstition will only ruin your Game. Also the girl has a commitment with her bf not you so it's her responsibility

You are a dog who will end up wretched and alone. This man should demonstrate high value and character by dismissing her and finding a better chick.

Actually he's right, philosophically speaking there is no stance that has laudably argued the case for morality. Morality is only opinion and thus everyone's views are equally worthless - do as you please but remember: "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared."

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ALRIGHT!!!



guys... the girl came onto him and is OBVIUSLY looking for jaminv's load...

your morals are intact because this girl is fucking almost begging to have sex with you.. this would be morally fucked up IF you contacted her first, or if you were actually TRYING to seduce her from the begining, but she did it herself.

when a woman is like this, she is looking for some danger and an old guy (ex) to fuck. if you dont do it, she will find a different ex too persue, that is a fact... I realise you may think it's wrong to be THAT guy, but it's irrelvant... she is in the driver seat and if its not you, itll be someone else.

Regardless of how much you can justify it to yourselves, I'm not desperate enough to bother with a married woman with a kid (ew) no matter how "right" it is. And trust me, I'm not the self righteous guy. Good vibes your way, you might need em later

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Every girl is different. But not TOO different.

In the end, It's not about girls.

She might be a good lay, but is the hassle worth it? Morals aside, if she's even slightly crazy she has the potential to turn this into a complete shitstorm.

No matter what she says, she's going to tell her boyfriend eventually, whether it's during a PMS fight, a long talk, etc. How do you think her boyfriend will react? Is she going to show up at your doorstep one day with kids in tow?

Take a look at the big picture and the potential consequences bro. If you fuck her, it means she does have some leverage on you, or at least the potential to make your life suck in some way.

There're a lot of girls out there with no strings attached and don't forget that this girl has baggage (kids, fiance, etc).

Exactly, she'll sleep with someone else, so her kids, rightfully jealous boyfriend, etc will become THEIR problem instead of yours.