the beauty in life is you can work hard towards anything you want pretty much, talent will help ya, so will intelligence specially because we're dealling with people, but exactly, if you can learn about people you can grow in the aspect of atracting those people, it really is simple

about the arguing, oh hey guys, got another spot? Let's have some fun.

a natural that knows what he's doing acoording to the game pwns all, thing is, getting a girl atracted is one thing, getting a girl's love is another

for some years getting girls attracted to you will be enough because your dick will be happy, but once your soul beggins to be lonely and you look around and see others sharing life with other people...

well, there's always suicide right.

So basically you're a douche-bag. Awesome. As you tell your story you make it clear that you where bigger than the 'kid' you where bullying. Oh yes, you where being a bully, not an alpha male. A bully. Congrats on getting that to work outside the playground. I don't dress in shiny cowboy hats (though I've done the cowboy outfit when appropriate), but I do dress a bit flashy in a good not 'fluffy boa over the top' type of way. Luckily I've been a gym rat and a martial arts fan (so I do have a 'i can kick your ass' presence) and if some jackass did this to me, I would have first tried to get out the peaceful way with a decent comeback - or actually, I'd probably just tell you to fuck off - and ignoring you without sending the girl away. I want her to notice who's the guy with the higher value right? If that didn't work I'd just cross off the target (and probably every girl in that club) as unapproachable after what I'm about to do and just knock you on your ass.

Do you what a natural is? U were born a human equal..

U learnt ur skills from Girls and Women.

'Pua's learn it from MPUAs just a bit later in life..

Thats just it! nothing more.. We are all the same bro..

If, for argument's sake, your story is actually true and you are better at pulling than everyone else on this forum. It is not because you are 'naturally gifted' by the deities, it is because you have had lots of social experience.

Naturals - through lots of social experience and picking techniques up which work, have developed solid game. Although they are unaware of why their actions exactly work, they just do them.

PUAs - analyse (and sometimes over-analyse) their actions, whilst also testing what works and what doesn't picking up women.

There is no such thing as a natural, just someone who has developed game completely via social interaction. A PUA on the other hand, learns about the techniques and apply them, seeing what works - in much the same way as a 'natural' would.

Basically what you are saying is that some kid who kicks a football around in his garden everyday is going to be better at football than another kid who is trained by coaches.

That kid may be very good, but he will not be near as good as the kid who has been coached.

Again, using the football metaphor, I might play football in my garden every day, and I would get very good, but not half as good as if I trained with an actual coach - It is trial and error in the garden, I discover what works and what doesn't - polishing my skills accordingly. When being coached there is no trial and error, and you are purposefully being drilled into doing the right things.

That example relates to many things in life, including pick up - so I fail to see how learning techniques which actually work is worse than finding things out through trial and error (or being a natural as you call it)

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When I saw the title "Natural Game", it had me thinking this may have been exactly what I was thinking to my self earlier. I'm sad to see that it is not. I am in no way trying to brag.

Earlier today, while on the boards, I was thinking to myself that although I am good at getting women, I am not a Pick Up Artist. Or at least, I don't consider myself one. Others who read this may think differently.

Before even knowing about PUA's, I would go out simply to have a good time. My friends and I would simply enjoy the night. During our time of just having fun, we would come across a group of women. At this point, we would have fun conversations. We would either stick with that group, or find another group and continue to just have fun. By the end of the night, we would have either exchanged numbers, or taken the party back to the hotel or house, depending where we were. If things happened, it did, if not, there would always be the next day.

What I didn't notice until going to these boards was that we were NATURALLY doing all the things that they teach people to do here. Open a set, include her friends in the conversation, crack a joke on the one you liked or NEG (same as when we were little kids, you always pick on the girl you like), tell stories, isolate the target, kino, close the deal, whether, kiss, number or taking her back to your room.

Reading the boards has given me other ideas. I've even started to dive into the PUMA style just to add a little something more to the game.

If you can call what I do a routine, it is usually not canned or rehearsed. My openers are usually something completely retarded and have nothing to do with the current situation. Have I used canned openers: OF COURSE! My conversation is usually pretty general. My stories are things that she has told me about herself that I can relate to. It's much easier to remember a story that actually happened, and if it's something you both have in common, then that only escalates her attraction. Kino happens without even thinking about it. I interrupt her by touching her leg right above the knee. If we're in a crowded area and I see someone walking by, I'll pull her closer to me by the waist so she is out of the way. If we're headed to the bar/bathroom, I hold her hand and lead the way. Dancing of course is the easiest way, but I always make sure my pelvis never touches hers or her butt until I've kissed closed.

Either way, I could sit here and ramble on and on about what I feel I do naturally. I'm still here on the boards and still get a lot of ideas that I use to either see if it works, or I'm dealing with an absolute dead fish, and having any type of conversation with her is like pulling teeth.

To the OP, I'm not sure you can call what you did game. Getting smashed and making someone else feel bad isn't game. You're like the bully from elementary school all over again. Congrats, you found a girl who was looking for a meat head that night. Standing up straight is something some people don't have to think about. Being alpha doesn't mean putting down others around you. Very doubtful you'd be able to run that same "game" on someone else.

Natural game is the same as PUA game. The only difference is, the person has no idea they are doing it. MPUA's would have what I call natural game, because they've become so good at doing it, they don't even have to think about it.

That's pretty cool, What you've done is out-alpha'd some poor PUA learning this stuff. Good for him, I mean he needs to learn to deal with this kinda amogging at some stage right.

Normally though, what would happen if you came and said that chris angel line.. is i'd smirk a bit, and whisper to her "do you know him?".. when she says "no", i take her by the arm and go for a walk, whispering "What a wierdo eh?"...

What are you going to do.. chase us?

What you do 'natural-game' and what 'unnatural-game' is are basically extensions of each other. Natural game is faster/smoother, but in the end someone's who's scripted what they're going to say and are better prepared will win out.

You cant use that incedent as a conclusion of your being superior to taught-PUA's
Imagine the same setting all over again - Only this time the PUA wasn't a noob.

This dude obviously didnt have a fucking idea on how to react in a alpha way.

If some dude did that to me while having successfully isolated a chick, and told me to come over to the bar or whatever the fuck, I would havejust acted as any alpha.

"Yeah bro, you go and do that. Im just gonna chill over here with [target]" and then send her a look that says "lol what the fuck, was that dude retarded?"

That would have made her laugh, and you would be positioned by the educated alpha - as a beta.

By the way, the 10's dont exist. 9 is the highest possible, as every girl is flawed at some scale. Even the slightest flaw would degrade her to a 9, as 10 is "completely perfect"

You also made a user at a forum, just to brag.
tl;dr your opponent was a rookie, so stop triumphing.

Its not the rule. It depends on your scale. For instance in my scale 10 is not "completely perfect". 10 is woman who is in top 1% of all the woman.
Others can say that 10% of the women are HB10, Second 10% of the women are HB9.

There is no single rule of how to scale them. So if in your scale there are no 10s, in my scale there are 10s. After all if the scale is 1 to 10 there must be 10s, because thats the scale. Otherwise it would be scale 1 to 9

i think all that chest beating makes u an alpha monkey

HAHA this cracks me up! This guy has a PUA-forum account and then has the balls to come on here and try to distance and disassociate himself from the community. IMO anyone who has an account is a "PUA" or PUA associate to some degree. The reason being; a guy who has complete "natural success" with women would never look for a community like this and therefore never find a site like this. LOL oh the irony involved here!

Either this guys trying a social experiment to see how many ppl's goats he can get or he's extensively more insecure than the WOW nerd hoping to get good with women by reading forums day in and day out.

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Cool, you have natural game.

Many (or most, or perhaps close to all) of the members here do not have natural game, and are therefore doing what they can to improve their relationships or to even gain relationships with women.

Congrats bro, you're like, the best, and we all worship your dominance in the playing field.

People like you post all the time, by the way.

Next.

[quote="NotAPuA"]Hi,

First, I am not a PuA. I have never aspired to be a PuA and I hope to God (Or any extra-terrestrial being for that matter) that I will never sink so low that I will resort to becoming a PuA. This post is not meant to insult, berate or belittle anybody on this forum (though it undoubtedly will) because personally, I need every single one of you: PuA's, AFC's, whatever you want to call yourself, I need you. The reason is simple; without all of you, I would not be able to run my game. I would not be able to go to a bar with a group of friends, and leave the bar with a good looking female on my arm/shoulder/dick/whatever.

Most of you are probably sitting behind your computer screen seething and thinking: "What?! That makes no sense!" Well, sorry pal, but this makes perfect sense. The reason that this makes sense is because while all of you are attempting to become the next big thing in the PuA world (you're all doing so great too I bet!), I am benefiting from losers like yourself approaching women.

Let me give you an example: Last weekend I was at a relatively packed bar in downtown Toronto with some buddies. I ordered myself a few double vodka waters and looked around to see what sort of females were in the joint. There were a lot of swamp donkies, a fair amount of average looking females, a handful of decent to good looking women, and one perfect 10. This girl was a rocket; perfect tits, perfect ass, perfect legs and hair, everything. I stood at the bar and crushed a few beers and then turned around to make my move. However right when I was about to approach this fine specimen, some tool wearing a cowboy hat, bangles and rings, and a stupid smile on his face approached her and her friends. I watched the scene unravel pretty quickly and since I'm relatively informed about the PuA scene I was able to understand what was happening. This guy stood there, doing his thing for these women (and more specifically the perfect 10) and eventually was able to isolate the target.

Now I usually don't try to intentionally bust up another dudes game but in this circumstance, I wanted that girl and I get what I want. So I finished my drink and bee-lined to the area where these two were talking. I stood to the side for a minute and watched as this tool-bag tried to capture his audience with funny jokes, little tricks and a fair amount of contact (you can call it kino, but personally, I stopped using codes for words when I was 11). Eventually I had enough and thrust myself into the scene; it was my time to show this idiot what real game was.

Me: Hey champ, I thought the Criss Angel fan club wasn't allowed out past 11:30.
Girl: *Laughter*
Tool: *Attempt to be clever and witty by insulting me back with almost the same line.* (Clever move!)

Now if you have read this far you have probably guess what type of person I am: I am a [b]Natural[/b] Alpha Male. I am not a nerd who has studied how to become an alpha male. I am not a random guy who decided enough was enough and attempted to better himself. No. I am the epitome of Alpha Male so when this weird dressed little man tried to insult me, I could not hold myself back.

Me (to girl): Listen sweetheart, I don't think you want to be around for this.
Girl: *Looks at me with disgust, back to Tool and waits for his reassurance.*
Tool (standing with a smug look on his face, looking directly at me): Go to the bar, I'll be there in a sec.

Now see what I did here? I called the shots. I made the moves. I made this tool agree with what I was saying while proving to this girl who the real man was. I wasn't running game. I wasn't using "canned lines" or techniques I had read in a book. No. I was being an animalistic, territorial man. This is something that is natural, not learned. Some people have it, most do not.

As the girl went to the bar I tore this kid to shreds. Insulting his outfit (to all you peacock theorists out there. You look like a bunch of fuck faces. Thank you for making me look better), insulting his terrible attempt to pick the girl up and even insulting his choice of drink...some sort of gay martini. While I was doing this however I was certain that the 10 was looking or at least glancing in this direction so I made sure to stand taller than this kid, to look more dominant than this kid, and to show to her (and to the rest of the people watching) that natural ability completely kicks the shit out of your trained game. This was personal now for me.

After about 5 minutes the kid had enough and tried to slide back to the girl at the bar. While he did this I went and took a piss, bought another double vodka water and then shot the shit with my buddy. While I was talking to my buddy, who do you think walks up to me and taps me on the shoulder? The tool? No. It was the 10.

The rest of the story is simple; I acted like myself to the broad, I was cocky, I was confident, I was assertive and outgoing and I ended up taking her home and fucking the daylight out of her. Then I woke up, fucked her again and took her digits.

So, the moral of the story? Well the moral is this; no matter how good you think you are, no matter how many women you have "sarged" or picked up, no matter what girls you have fucked (models, pornstars, senators, first ladies), someone with Natural Game and natural talent will always win. You think guys like Mystery and Gambler were never outgamed? They were. And it was by guys like me.

I win. You lose. Natural Game is more impressive and more successful than your learned game. You can argue me all you like, but eventually, you will all learn.

You can better yourself, and I'm proud of you guys for that. You can become the dude you have always wanted to be, but in the real world, the strong survive, the weak get eaten. I hope to see some of you in the near future.

Gray[/quote]





Totally agree. Lines and routines are for people who can't carry a conversation. But the benefit of the game for me is the psychology behind it all. Now I am more aware of when a girl is attracted to me and can capitalize on it. I don't run routines or tell the same jokes to several girls. I am just myself and by learning what a AFC is, I avoid those tendencies, and by learning what an Alpha Male is I embrace those characteristics that I have.

But I am still a little weird, nonchalant, and I won't pretend I am someone I am not. I am just able to benefit from who I am.

I have been a natural all my life, very successful with women, 4 years ago, i got oneitis, i think that is what this people call it.. And i could not get through a girl, i read david dangelo, i realize couple of mistakes that i was making, got the girl, 4 years later we are together she is madly in love with me... 6 months ago she show me the game, lol, in the bookstorr, just as a joke, then i went every night to read it, it was entertaining, and i am studying pua, and is everything a natural kind of does, but the explanation behind it, you go oh? ah? now i get what i got so many girls, by the way i am a natural and notapua you are not...


As a natural i would never go to a target and try to insult the guy she is talking to, Respect dude, if i was that guy talking to that girl and you pull that shit, you would be in a hospital right now, that is just me... If i am a natural and a girl chose to talk to you over me, i leave her alone, that is just me, however if you insult me or disrespect me in the process as a "natural" i would fight you...

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I liked the comparisons to sports. We are here learning SOCIAL SKILLS, because we haven't been successful enough in life and with women, we want to improve.

the boxing metaphor. "NotAPuA" just had better social skills and got what he wanted. Maybe puaguy was a rookie maybe not, but notapua was better.

We all learn this stuff if we want and do work for this.

Naturals have learned right skills earlier. We learn this stuff from our environment and by nature some of us are more masculine, have better abilities and wit.

examples of Environment : Family (DAD, siblings, everybody who you like in your social circle -> you adopt the skills. and even the bad persons "I hate my cousin, I dont wanna be like him or end up like him"
our idols, friends
media, movies, series, books, magazines.

some of us dont have the chance to learn good skills in childhood, and we cant do anything for that because of the young age. but we grow up and we start to figure out things.

it took naturals many years to grow to be so good. so it will took from puas.

some grow/learn faster some don't, but everybody will improve if they want.


"afc's" has watched a football game from TV at home, they would like to do same moves what Barcelona players do. How barca's players are so good? they played football day after day, year after year. What should afc do ? GO OUT AND PLAY

ohyes one little thing. different perspectives are always good and welcomed but

I don't go to ManU,comm/forum to say "u guys suck, barca is better"