The purpose of the neg is status reversal. That is the purpose you knock them down to your level as Jaminv said. It's not about calibrating, it's not about night game, it's about confidence. If you let her confidence be greater then yours then you are the one that needs to reverse the status balance.

Say calibrating, say knock them down, say whatever, but what it truly comes down to is you let their confidence become greater then yours. Why? You put them above you, not them. Sorry but you have the ability to control your status in every interaction you come across. I'm not some invincible guy that does this and it only works for me. It will work for anyone with the confidence to do it. Just do it.

Charisma is exactly the opposite of this, it is when you obviously show high status(body language, clothes, etc.) and you elevate them to your level. You make them feel good by elevation and humor.

Your compliment to a women is "you're beautiful" to start an interaction? That isn't a compliment, sorry. A compliment is to walk up and say "Your glasses are super cute, they accompany your earrings so well, well done!". That compliment has to be for that woman and only that woman. If the compliment is about her aesthetics you will just look terrible, how many guys do you think have given her that compliment? There is a point when you can compliment a woman's looks but it isn't at the start of an interaction. Compliment her choices, personality, successes, etc. Things that make her who she is, not her looks.

It's so easy to be cryptic (mysterious), just lie to them, but let them know you are lying. Question: "Where do you work?" Response: "7-11" With a smirk like yeah right. Never give a straight answer, confirm every statement they make about you. It's simple, then they won't know much about you while plenty of conversation has happened, plenty of flirting. I don't act like I'm tell the truth when I'm lying, eventually you have to build through honesty, but if you want to show mystery, just be careful about the info you reveal regarding yourself.

Jaminv,
If a girl acts like she is the best shit on Earth, I walk away showing them I'm denying them. They are likely someone I don't care to know, there are plenty of attractive girls that aren't like that. She doesn't deserve my time, and frankly I don't care to give someone like that any of my time anyways.

You guys want to know how to show your high status using body language? Make eye contact, smile, and wait for them to look away. Always keep solid body language anyways, wide stance, confidence shoulders, etc. This will give you high status and you not looking down submitting before them while showing non-threatening behavior (smile) shows confidence as well. Don't submit before them with you looking down, don't show anxiety, and don't show preening(adjusting your appearance). Do advertise signs of masculinity, take up space, bring attention to your genitals(framing or putting your hands on your buckle), widen your shoulders, etc. This will show them high status and confidence, you will have to elevate them to your level and make them feel good. This will make you charismatic and memorable.

Please please learn to make people feel good, you will build endless relationships, be invited everywhere, loved everywhere, and your life will just be better. Always have a sense of humor, as well it will be one of the biggest assets you could own in this world, be relaxed and be cool. This will get you a lot further the dropping negs to lower their status to yours. LOL It sounds some much worse when you rationalize it. I joked for ever, "Why raise my self esteem when you can lower theirs?", that is precisely what the neg is.

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Your idea of a compliment is "you're glasses are so pretty, they coordinate well with your earrings. Well done?" Ehhh..... no thanks. I'm sorry, I find that not only fake, but also chumpy.

Also on negging, it's not the "insult her theory" it's the "disqualification theory." How is blowing my nose in front of her going to lower her self-esteem? If it does, I wouldn't say they had much to begin with. There are certainly negs out there that I believe take it too far. I don't like the whole "are your nails real, oh.... well they're still nice." To me, this sounds rude. But to say something like "your nose wiggles when you laugh, it's so cute hehe." I can't possibly imagine how such playful teasing could lower their self-esteem.

Negging is something we do I feel with everyone in life. When my brother starts to act like tough shit I'll roll my eyes at him. This is a neg, but I'm not sitting there trying to lower his self-esteem, I'm just bringing him back to a frame of reality that we can co-exist.

Did you recommend lying in an effort to be mysterious? I understand you're trying to appear sarcastic, and obviously expressing that you're joking, but come on? Really? I'm not going to believe lying is the way to build mystery. Hey, what ever works though....I'll give it a try sometime.

That would be the difference between a genuine compliment(one meant for her specifically) and a compliment that is generic and could be meant for everyone. Such as "You are really hot", "You are gorgeous", "You are beautiful", those are chump compliments, they lack charisma, originality, and they are generic. The very details are what make it a actual compliment, you like something and you give her insight as to why. You say something like this with no meaning but when I say your glasses are cute, I genuinely mean it. When I say "your earrings are cute and they compliment your outfit" I genuinely mean it. It's called a thoughtful compliment, these are genuine. A compliment involving details about her specifically. I compliment people everyday, males and females. They have a better day because I do such things, and it makes me happy knowing they'll have a better day.

Wiggling your nose isn't a neg, not to me sorry we've been arguing, as simple misunderstanding. Wiggling your nose is an observation, a fake one at that since in all the face studying I do they don't wiggle their nose with they laugh(this would be a lie). This is more like poking fun, joking, or having a sense of humor, something I've mentioned. Negging is using something to disqualify them yes meaning you are changing the status in the interaction. YAY! Maybe you'll understand it finally. Do you not understand the concept of values and status in society?

Well it's a lie because it's dishonest, but it's honest because you are outright with holding information and letting them know. Honestly I never make up this abstract lie(I've never said I work where I don't but I have with held my job position as manager). If someone says something about me I laugh and confirm it. I have never said I work at 7-11, but you want mystery then know that you are LYING. Straight up, that is how it goes. To me it is the same as misleading which is an off root of lying. Mystery is lying, being cryptic is lying, it is all misleading who you are. If someone asks questions and you avoid them you are misleading them, you aren't giving an out right lie, but you are lying by not volunteering info that you can(so long as it isn't none of their business to begin with).

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When you spit, you spit the things that you think of inside your mind, you let them know a very small amount of info when you talk, you talk like you know everybody, and you project like a poet, when you walk you look straight forward and don't make eye contact with anyone. You show that you have no fear, you show that you only protect the ones you love, and you get angry when someone becomes a threat to your mannerisms.

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This is a difficult question to answer (orig poster) because being mysterious is a complicated concept... but to add my quick thoughts and get the post back on topic:

One thing I do quite often and quite successfully is use misdirection when talking to a girl... comedians use this type of behavior as well- call it a certain kind of sarcasm if you will. Instead of answering every question in a very straightforward manner (read: boring, non-mysterious), just joke around - it's not lying if you aren't serious about it. Especially those mundane questions like "what do you do"... make something up, it really doesn't matter as long as it's different and interesting. tell them you're a shark catcher from Cambodia- seriously doesn't matter as long as it's unique and not really believable. If you say it with a straight face, and then break your composure to show you were kidding, it gives you both a reason to laugh, escalate kino, and it throws her off a little- like she's not sure exactly where you're coming from.

Sorry I can't think of any real examples I use... for some reason they just come to me when I go out but now that i'm thinking about it I can't think of anything lol! In any case, this type of behavior has worked for me so many times I can't even count- and it's a ton of fun to see how far you can take it sometimes! haha. Just this weekend I met this girl on the beach, I don't think I said anything serious for the first 30 mins... and she just kept wanting to know more and more because she couldn't pin me down. Then i started talking a little more seriously (read: truthful answers in a less playful tone) to reward her with real information once I knew she liked me- took her home right off the beach! It didn't hurt that we were drinking, haha!

I'll take more time later and post some things I've said successfully to girls in the past - and I'll put another post on here.

How about saying, with a straight face, that you are a professional hitman? That can be fun because hopefully she will play along, giving you a chance at some interesting, fun conversation. Also, it would give you the opportunity to judge how fun and creative she is. I think I'd be much more likely to develop attraction for someone who played along with the joke rather than someone who just lightly chuckled and moved on.

I think this is a crutch, though. There's nothing wrong with a crutch. If you broke your leg, no one would tell you that you can't use a crutch to support yourself. If you have a broken ego or a damaged social perspective, there's nothing wrong with using a crutch to help develop yourself. Eventually, though, you want to stop using the crutch. Walking with a crutch is awkward. Walking without a crutch is a very natural thing. I think the same thing applies to using crutches in gaming. Now, if you develop a crutch into part of your persona, that's fine. Like if you used the above example, and found it to be a fun way to interact with people, you'd likely reach the point were it becomes second nature. It's no longer a crutch at that point. The awkwardness has gone and it has become very natural.

As far as working without a crutch goes, I don't think there's anything quite as mysterious as confidence. Not a lot of men have it. Not a lot of women have it. When a man can be truly confident, in a way that seems to come from within and extend outward, it creates an amazing aire of mystery. Who is he that he is so confident? How did he become so confident? Where does it come from? How does he deal with difficult sitations without breaking his poise?

I think, however, that true confidence is a goal many of us have not yet achieved, so let's take a step down. How about if you just developed above the need to brag about things? This can be very mysterious too because most men are horrible braggers. They want to tell a women every great thing about themselves up front, and it kills all the mystery. If you don't feel the need to do this, I think it creates mystery on two levels: one, there are good things about you that don't come up right away, and two, you don't feel the need to brag which is mysterious in itself. This of couse assumes you have something to brag about. I think it works best if you have your life fairly together and have a few things about yourself that create value. The woman will notice the value, but not know where it comes from. When you don't spoon-feed her the information, she is forced to learn more about you in order to get the answers she wants. You are mysterious.

Taking another step down, let's just say you're a busy person who does a lot of things for himself. Just this alone creates a lot of depth of character that can be very mysterious. A lot of us are people-pleasers and spend a lot of our time trying to please other people. We don't create value for ourselves. Someone who does is therefore an exception and thusly more mysterious. When a women finds out you have many facets to your life -- that you're more than just a work-a-day slob like everyone else -- she wonders where you find the time or energy to do so much for yourself. Imagine if you met a girl in yoga and she learned that you also play an instrument on top of working a good job and having a social life. How interesting do you image you would be to that person? She would find you pretty interesting. She would recognize how rare you are and wonder where you find all the time. Well, you have a clear set of goals -- a path for your life -- and you're unwilling to compromise them. This, in and of itself, will create mystery. If you can take it the next two steps, to true confidence, then you'll never have to worry about being mysterious again.

I used to have the same problem and still do, I am constantly working on it. My focus is to mostly talk about her and when she asks you something about you dont give her a straight anwser. Or give her a short answer that will make her want to know more then change the subject back to her. EX

HB: "How was your weekend"
PUA: "Oh gosh, shit got way out of hand"
HB: "Really, what happened?"
PUA: change subject "Lets just say I ended the night naked, anyways how about you, how was your weekend?" or just straight up change the subject "Whats the craziest thing you have done this year?"

Try to get her interested in something but don't tell her all about it, leave things to her imagination. Its been working for me sofar. It is difficult because when someone is intrested it is fun to fill them in on the details you have to fight that.[/quote]

never give up information until she asks.

and when she does, always leave some of it up to interpretation.

its the same when you compliment her or say something to her.

i told this girl the other day that i missed kissing her.

this does not mean that I miss HER, because I never actually uttered those words. its always up to interpretation.

as an alpha or when your sarging, try to make things short and sweet w/ room for interpretation, sometimes give open ended answers or statements that make your target think

As we were talking about earlier in the post - the whole 'mystery' quality is often accomplished by misdirection.

There are numerous ways to make this happen.
1. We've already talked about sarcasm to keep her on her toes.
2. We've mentioned not divulging too much detail in order to keep her wanting. 3. The third idea to weave into the interaction is incongruencies between your speach and body.

There a great deal of information written on this topic so I won't try to recreate anything here, but essentially you can keep your conversation pretty even keeled and still escalate often with very little resistance (if done appropriately) with your body language. This incongruency definitely adds more dimension to your interaction and creates that 'mystery' factor. Of course it never hurts to actually have a personality and something interesting to say hahah--