Hi, ( this btw happened before i even knew abou PUA)i recently attended a festival and as me and my friend were at our camp two girls approached us, they had seen us for the last day on and off and gve us ioi's of a more friendly nature at first than flirty or sexual. as we socialised and seperated roughly into two pairs she was giving me loads of ioi's and then asked to sit on my lap, she was a solid 8 ( the other a 6 i later said this to my friend but he denies it.) and my friend texted me saying dude u must have a hard on, get in there! she almost saw the text as i read it, phew, but anyway, after that and much chatting she was making rare references to sex, eg, how she found a condom in her bag and wondered if it wud b used b4 the end of the festival blah blah then grinded sort of as she sat on my crotch , so then as it;s night some people smoked a tiny bit of bhudda in my tent, and my friend and the other girl went into his half, and they started fucking, the girl in my side was fully aware of this, joked about it and zipped my side of the tent up concealing us,wearing just her bra and panties in full view of me, not caring, and we talked for a while, but i had no idea how to initiate further contact,( a year before this in exactly the same setting ( a tent) a girl jsut looked into my eyes then, ripped open my trousers and i had to do nothing basically as she went to work, but this time i couldn't think of how to be relevant or to capture her attention properly as she had been doing all the work really up to this point, i was honestly nervous due to this, and then eventually she started talking to me, eg, her favourite songs etc, and then some kino, i replicated her kino on me, but failed to follow it up with vocals of a impressive nature i sort of was searching of things to say rapidly in my head., after that she turned over the other way and began to go to sleep NOOOOOOOOOOOO i was shouting in my head, falling down a bottomless pit), I had failed, i wondred why she would go to the trouble of opening,kino, etc, all the way up to sleeping on my air matress with my duvet next to me, and then giving up?

maybe i haven't used many technical terms to help outline the problems but any help would be much appreciated, thanx.

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The only consistant thing in life is change.

she didnt give up, she gave you every opportunity in the world and you didnt take advantage of them

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

you failed because you didn't have the balls to take out and grab what she was dangling right in front of you... I've been in your situation before tho, make out for a while and small talk then she rolls over and gives you her back... you start rubbing her stomach and running your fingers up and down her stomach and along her waistline, then run them up and start running your fingers around the bottom of her bra, if she's enjoying it she'll typically push her ass into your crotch or roll over and start making out with you... work your hands under her bra and kiss her neck until she's puttin out or until she pulls your arm away...

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any Man can sweep any Woman off her feet, you just have to have the right broom...

i feel stupid for it mainly because, i think i had an intense fear of rejection, even though it was right in front of me, i just didn't know how to conquer it right then at all, i just didn't realise at the time that the odds were seemingly in my favour and that i should have gone for it 100 per cent.

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Believe it or not I had that happen one time when I was about 18..

It was with a fellow Marine woman that I virtually considered my sister. She crawled into bed with me one night, and I went to sleep without so much as touching her.

After about 20 minutes, she got up and stomped out, obviously feeling rejected..

It was funny as shit.

I didn't miss a wink. WM's just weren't my cup of tea at the time.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ufa-q7DcWM

i extremely agree with you, i do the same exact thing to this girl i am messing around with, she sometimes rolls over and gives me her back. so i just run my fingers down her back and kiss her neck.

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Damn Starbuck. So you considered her your sis, but she considered you a fuck buddy, or at least WANTED you to be, lol. Talk about freezing her out! lol.

I've had a couple girls sleep right next to me and not gone anywhere with it. That's the problem with being a "nice guy" and having really hot female friends. Its much better when you ditch the "nice guy" persona.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

I don't think blue tiger was being a 'nice guy' with that girl, I think he was just being an AFC (no offence intended). He knew what he wanted, but he didn't have the balls to take it - even though it was right there in front of him.

This is the kind of thing that learning game overcomes. I bet if the same situation presented itself at next year's festival, you'd have her on her back in minutes

That's pretty much being a nice guy. Deciding that you don't want to hurt her delicate sensebilities, even though part of why she is in the bed with you, might be that she really does want you. Story time!

Once upon a time, there was an AFC named Rye and he had his ridiculously hot friend, who was one of his predominant HS crushes and also the girl that he did the formal grad dance with, right after getting the diploma, come over for dinner to his place in Rez. Now Rye only had a small room with a twin bed, and enough space on the floor to sleep comfortably. So Rye suggested that he sleep on the floor to give the girl he'd been wanting so badly enough room to feel comfortable and not to feel like he was trying to make a move on her. The girl, whose name was Hope, told Rye that it was ok and that she would sleep in the bed with him.

So Rye and Hope ended up spooning and holding eachother in one of those gentle touching ways that people always talk about in books and movies and Rye got plenty of IOIs. All Rye had to do was bite her on the neck and then grab the hair at the base of her neck and pull her head back slightly, but firmly, while he started making out with her and then ravaged her, acting out all his HS fantasies. But Rye was a nice guy and didn't do that, because he have the balls to take her like she so obviously wanted to be taken.

A very sad story, don't you think?

Don't let it happen to you. When you end up lying there next to the girl you want to be pounding into the mattress, then bite her. Bite her and make her bite you.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

it's so sad because I think we've all been there once... lol mines even worse. The girl tried reaching into my pants to grab a hold... and for reasons I still don't comprehend something caused me to slap her hand... not playfully mind you... more like a get your hands off of me you pervert type. I was so shocked at myself that I ended up turning my back and going to sleep.

could have, should have, but............................. didn't

Whicked AFC move

You need to learn more about body language and mindsets. If your mind set is to get her into bed and fuck her, and she is giving you the green light, then grab the reins and ride it home. In other words you need to lead the actions. In seduction it talks about catching a fish. You don't wanna jerk the line because it will snap and break, instead reel slowly and take it in all the way. You were reeling her in nice and SLOW but you stopped with the fish outside the boat. The fish is not going to jump in the boat. My bad if there are to many analogizes but it makes it easy to understand. next time keep reeling until you are holding the fish (banging the hell out of her in your tent)

With my faults acknowledged and the advice given, I'm thankful, no 8ball.uk I was being an afc, wether no offence was intended or not it doesn't matter, you showed honesty which is much more important. I might be meeting a girl in some months time who has shown ioi's and opened me so i will use the advice given here as fully as i can, and hopefully not fail the second time round a girl approaches me when it gets to the seduction stage
i will post the report online if the meeting does take place. Ive only known about the pua world for 3 months and been on this site for 2 days, but i am halfway through a 2 year communications studies course which has definately helped me in terms of understanding theory but the putting into practice aspect has a while to be accomplished, haha yeh next years festival is definately a goal i aim to achieve, they're great places for sarging in my opinion.

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LMFAO! Oooo, I would be crying too Doc. Damn! Have you even seen that girl since then?

lol, yeah once we went to a party a couple weeks later... I actually ended up getting hammered and sleeping with one of her friends... After that she got kinda bent out of shape... and we had this arguement about how I wouldn't sleep with her but I fucked her friend... she was pretty mad. After that... no never again, lol.

Poor girl... sad thing is I actually really liked her at the time.