Hey, I'm new here and new to the game in general.
After reading the game and other material on the internet, I've gained confidence and I'm not afraid to approch women.
I'm 17 and I'm from Stockholm, Sweden - which is the main problem. Swedish girls are very unfriendly, closed and aren't keen on day pick ups, which is a problem for me because the bar scene only really starts when your 18..

But i try, and well the results are bad. One time i got ignored completely. Other times they they just don't co-operate. I'm reluctant to say it's my fault. After all, I only opened with a "hey" or something like that and I always look presentable.

The other day though, I met this American girl, and I actually had a nice conversation with her. I knew that during the conversation my game wasn't so good. (I'm very unexperienced after all) I have a problem flirting and being funny and my conversations remain on the boring small talk level. Anyways, when I asked this girl for her number - she just said I can add her on Facebook.. and I had to ask for her name after she said that. I don't know if that was a sign for her not being interested.. but anyways. Any tips on how to take it from here? Or if anyone has any experience with Swedish girls..

Hey, I am pretty much in the same situation as you. Me, being from England, I try to approach women on the train, and for me, most of them are in their early twenties or mid twenties, and so it is very difficult to get their number.

The other day for example, I began talking to this HB 7/8, she had had a very long day and I was just trying my luck pretty much, I just made up a story that I have a tennis tournament to play in Indonesia coming up in two weeks time.

Then she began asking me a few questions about it, for example, have you ever considered becoming a professional? and I said, Yeah, that'd be a great idea, have you got any advice of how to overcome my losing streak that I am on at the moment?
Then she said, it's tennis, so I don't.

After that, I started to sense some rejection in her body language, and also, one more thing. I asked her if we could sit down (as we were standing up and talking and there were seats available). She then again, said, no, I get off in a few stops (although there was plenty of time between each one).

Then, just before she left, I told her, since we're not going to see each other again, is there any way we could keep in touch? Then there was silence for a second or two, shortly after I said, Yeah, texting seems a good way to go I suppose.

This, was when the most worst rejection happened. She told me that there is a five year gap between us. Me being 17 and her 23 and although, I lied to her that I was 18, so she would consider talking to me for longer it didn't make a difference, because she said, I don't really feel comfortable, and I've only known you for a bit.

Yeah, anymore experiences of your kind and PM me. Because it'd be good if we learn from each other, as we're the same age.

Cheers

Vay

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I think it's a bad thing and that she's making up an excuse not to give you her number.
She was already giving you IODI signals before you asked the number so I guess you didn't comfort/attract her enough. No worries though, evaluate this experience and try again next time!


Just to trow it out there by the way, what do you guys think of being persistant in getting the number. For example when she says: 'you can add me on facebook', you say: 'I bet I could but I just asked for you number'.

I think that 2 things could happen:
1. She tells you that she doesn't want to give you her number and walks away (or something like that). Or,
2. She gives you the number because you've shown some alpha behavoir and self confidence.

What do you guys think?

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Yea, I was being too AFC so didn't attract enough I'm guessing.

It probably depends on how well the conversation went and the type of girl. Some girls might see it as annoying cuz u already said it as annoying. Some, might cave in to the authority, (I probably would), cuz if the guy is alpha enough, it's very convincing and hard to say no.

I turned 18 earlier this year, so I can understand where you guys are coming from.

I've found that on public transport in the UK if you're our age, the best way to set yourself up is to dress and act like you could be older.

What I mean is that if you step onto public transport in your school uniform or jeans with DCs (i know theyre comfortable but still!) then immediately you're going to have problems gaming girls older than you.

This is a real issue if you live in a commuter town (like myself) where a lot of the early twenty year olds work in the city in financial or professional services. Why would a girl give a school kid or w/e her number?

I dress often like whilst yeah I'm 18, a girls not sure. I could be anything from 18-21. Immediately the girl will drop a few barriers.

If you have a bit of swagger and walk with a purpose; essentially acting like you mean something, again theyre going to be a bit more receptive as you're DHV.

My second point would be before you open know what you want. Do you want her number? Grab a coffee with her?

Initially when I started without a clear goal you can go all over the place.

Thirdly, DHV throughout. Theres gotta be something about you that means this girl doesnt want to just fall asleep or play on her phone for the rest of the journey. Think about it, she's probably got loads of options.

Fourthly, I've found "a take it or leave it" offer works pretty well for our age.
This really depends how well your initial conversation has gone, but if she's been really receptive just be like "I'm going to for my routine coffee stop after I've done some work, why don't you join me?" or "I plan on going out with my mates a few times this week, why dont you and your girlfriends join us?"

You're going anyway, so it doesnt seem like you're accommodating for her, if she wants to go she can, you're not being needy about it (obviously that does hinge on the tone/way you say it)

Fifthly, if she knows she's older than you and works in the city, just be like "are there any opportunities for work experience?" You should be able to get a business card out of this.

Its all about building rapport, getting a number or coffee should be do-able. Don't hit on her, keep it indirect. I know from personal experience that when a girl who's younger hits on me, I shut down a bit.

So:

1. Dress and act with some swagger
2. Obscure your age at first sight
3. DHV from the start, be it by your body language w/e
4. Go indirect
5. Build rapport
6. Don't get hung up on her, theres plenty more girls using public transport/out there
7. Know what you want
8. Don't throw her with obligations/requests just needy

I can definitely improve my own game, so if anyone wants to correct me it would be appreciated; after all this is from my own experience.
And I'm sorry that I've focused this a bit too much on public transport!

Hope this helps.

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I travel a lot with public transport aswell, what kind of openers do you use and how do you follow-up, you can't really say how do you guys know eacher so what's your game?

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"Does this train stop at X"
"Yeah it does"
"Do you know if you can get to Y from there?" (usually you have an idea that you can get there, hit and miss if you're actually lost because she could just be like "uh no")
"Umm yeah, you take a right then go straight etc etc"
"You seem to know the area well, you work there?"
"blah blah blah..."
take it from there... be it asking questions about what she does or nightlife in the area.

The openers weak, but in my case usually theres an age difference, so I'm just trying to build rapport. Tbh though I've found if you run a good outer game, like you dress well and DHV through body language without looking like a stuck up twat, theyre usually receptive.

This one works a bit better from my experiences:

"Sorry, excuse me...you like someone who likes to have some fun...(she might interject saying something like "i dunno/i guess thats an opinion etc etc)...Have you been to bar/club XYZ? What did you think of it?"
"*Her Opinion*"
"Are there any others that you'd recommend?" Or if she says its shit "Where would you say we should go?"
"Is that your usual escape/where do you go most often?"
"blah blah blah"
"I can see you as an angry drunk so I might avoid that place/A neg"
"*usually laughs* why?"
Carry it on from there.
Number-close using the fact you're going to a bar/club in a area she usually goes to. But tell her when asking something like "Hey why dont we swap numbers, then I can see whether you're actually an angry drunk? And don't worry I'm not going plague you with texts. I mean we just met on the train."
"*Usually laughs*"
"It's so annoying when that happens (DHV I guess). I'm really protective over my number these days but you look reasonably normal, so I guess I can trust you (the last sentence is optional)"

I'm sure if you search the forum for public transport openers or adapt normal ones you'll have a few more. The first one I use primarily when I've been getting IOIs.

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